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How to avoid another RINO nominee? Eliminate primaries.
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Posted on 11/05/2008 11:44:10 AM PST by Brookhaven

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It has puzzled me as to why the Republican party continually not only fails to nominate true conservatives, but nominates candiates that much of their own party can't stand (Bush I, Dole, McCain.) The culprit becomes perfectly clear when you look at the nomination results: PRIMARIES.

This last cycle there was a clear difference between the types of candidates that won primaries and they type that won caucuses.

Caucus winners were more conservative, and had a stronger appeal to the base/grass roots of the party. Primary winners were more moderate and had a more centerist (RINO) appeal.

I haven't gone back in time, but I expect I would find the same thing. I also expect you will find this same phenomenon at other levels as well. Senators (congressmen, govenors, etc...) that go through a primary lean more RINO than those that go through a caucus.

What this tells me is that one of the keys to moving the Republican party back to the right is eliminating primaries and going to a complete caucus system for nominating candidates.

1 posted on 11/05/2008 11:44:11 AM PST by Brookhaven
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To: Brookhaven

And who did you want to be the nominee in 2008?


2 posted on 11/05/2008 11:46:50 AM PST by TNLawyer (McCain/Palin'08......Great job with your VP pick, McCain!)
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To: Brookhaven

If we don’t elect RINOs to begin with...they won’t rise to the top....DON’T vote RINO EVER...Let the ‘Rat win if you must. Tell the RINOs to take a hike.


3 posted on 11/05/2008 11:47:11 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Brookhaven

some one has to run. We cannot force people to run if they don’t want to.


4 posted on 11/05/2008 11:47:28 AM PST by Perdogg (Obama will not be my President)
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To: Brookhaven
caucuses gave us Obama over Hitlery.

all things considered we would have been better with Hitlerly. Might have even been able to beat Hitlery in the general...

caucuses are anti-individual. It goes against conservatism and the rugged individualism that built this country.

5 posted on 11/05/2008 11:47:38 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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It would also help to limit voters in primaries to be Republicans.


6 posted on 11/05/2008 11:48:11 AM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: Brookhaven

BUT, WE VOTED AFTER THEY ALREADY ANNOUNCED THAT McCAIN HAD WON IT! Texas I voted for Ron Paul even though I KNEW that McCAIN had been CHOSEN.

Republican Primary Results: John McCain 51%, Mike Huckabee 38%, Ron Paul 5%


7 posted on 11/05/2008 11:49:13 AM PST by buffyt (I guess this is the CHANGE that Obama meant. Pennies on the dollar on our life investments.)
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I think primary elections are fine provided:

1. they are all held on the same day; and

2. states eliminate cross-over primaries.

Given the full party slate in each state, and voting on the same day, I think we would arrive at the strongest candidate.

8 posted on 11/05/2008 11:49:25 AM PST by Abby4116
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Congratulations! You just posted the weakest field of Republican candidates ever put forth in a presidential election. We can only hope they all step aside for Sarah Palin in 4 years so she can save her money for the election.
9 posted on 11/05/2008 11:49:32 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Brookhaven

The caucus system is what allowed Obama to win, through the use of out-of-state thugs coming in to intimidate people and swarming the caucuses at the last minute.


10 posted on 11/05/2008 11:50:14 AM PST by Styria
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To: rightwingextremist1776

Good idea....we must not elect RINOs in the first place.

The GOP could fix this “McCain Problem” of the primaries by doing away with winner-take-all primaries.

The DNC got a lot of media attention for their drawn out campaign...giving Obama and Hillary much more air and face time than McCain.


11 posted on 11/05/2008 11:50:14 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Blaming Palin: The McCain-GOPer Exit Strategy On Losing The Election?)
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It would probably be difficult to eliminate primaries, but Republicans should at least change the rules on all those early primaries that are totally open to Independents. R’s only! It’s our party, let us choose.


12 posted on 11/05/2008 11:50:21 AM PST by pineybill (`)
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To: PeteB570
It would also help to limit voters in primaries to be Republicans.

Yes, and they'd have to be registered as such for at least one year.

JP

13 posted on 11/05/2008 11:54:28 AM PST by EscapedDutch (0 is not and will not be my president.)
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To: TNLawyer

You’re missing the point.

If you compare the winners of the primaries and the caucuses it is clear there was a difference in the type of candidates chosen.

The primary heavy schedule gave us McCain.

If we have had 50 caucuses, it looks from the results as if either Huckabee or Romney would have one. What is clear is that McCain would not have been the nominee.


14 posted on 11/05/2008 11:55:17 AM PST by Brookhaven (.)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

I agree. They can start their own party.


15 posted on 11/05/2008 11:55:26 AM PST by mabelkitty (Democrats over-reaching for a mandate - smack their hand and tell them "No. Not Yours".)
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Republicans don't do their job during primaries. They vote based on name recognition and don't do their homework.

A candidate does not need to be well known before the presidential election to be a household name within a week or two.

For example, Sarah Palin was a very strong candidate. Most Americans (thank the MSM promoting RINOs) (many FReepers where promoting her 6 months before McCain picked her) didn't know of the America's most popular Governor before McCain picked her.

We have to overcome the corrupt MSM both in the primaries and in the general election. This hurdle was huge this year when positive stories for Obama outnumbered those for McCain 8 to 1 or 9 to 1. This happens in primaries as well. Conservatives who have a real chance of winning are poo-poo’ed by the corrupt MSM.

16 posted on 11/05/2008 11:56:04 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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What we need to eliminate are open primaries. Only Registered Republicans get to vote in the Republican primary. Independents get to sit out the primaries.
17 posted on 11/05/2008 11:57:11 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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The problem is less primaries than it is open primaries. Even if the party has to spend it’s own money rather than letting some Secretary of States office fund the process, we should not allow non-GOP voters to have a hand in the nomination process.


18 posted on 11/05/2008 11:58:19 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Brookhaven
Closed primaries or caucuses would pretty much eliminate the difficulty with Democrats crossing over to screw things up.

Shooting, stripping, dressing out and packaging the meat from a Democrat who crossed over in a primary would have the same effect and would disturb all of us much less.

DNC's got it's hands full with this one.

19 posted on 11/05/2008 11:59:26 AM PST by muawiyah
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You don’t need to eliminate primaries, you just need for all primary states to restrict voting to registered in state Republicans. (I put in state as a requirement because incredible as it sounds New Hampshire allows out of staters to vote in primaries)


20 posted on 11/05/2008 11:59:48 AM PST by saganite (I for one welcome our new Socialist masters /s/)
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