The Second American Civil War Is Underway

Modern Conservative ^ | Christopher Cook

[wardaddy]

those were some great posts

passed near yer neck of the woods last weekend

Avery and Wautaga Counties....26-81-40

[FreedomPoster]

>>>>The Bolshevik Revolution was relatively bloodless.

>>True ... the aftermath of the Bolshevik Revolution was incredibly bloody.

Exactly so. I would attribute #1 and #2 on the leader board to it, as well as some of the others. See the table to the right.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

[lin]

"Obama is the result of the remaining old school Southern Democrats being purged from the party in the 1960s, leading to the radical left and the multicultists seizing the party from both the old guard conservative Southerners and the Scoop Jackson type patriotic Dems in the North."

And it is all of a piece. Shelby and Sessions soldier on. Who will fill their shoes when they retire the field?

Far down on my list is whether Charlie Crist is a political descendent of Dempsey Barron or Claude Kirk. I am distraught.

[KansasCanadian]

Interesting take. I work for the federal government and see a huge cross section of America in my line of work. It is far from impressive. The federal and state governments are engaged in a massive “wealth redistribution” scheme of which they are apparently unaware, unable to rein in, or deliberately ignore for vote buying purposes.

[Ancesthntr]

Liberals from New York fleeing south for Florida, North Carolina, etc.

That may be today. Since the early 1960s, however, the NY'ers have flooded NJ. Many became "Republicans" (of the RINO variety) because, after all, now they lived "in the country." What they didn't do was drop their liberalism at the entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel - they brought it with them. Hence, NJ has become a stinking cesspit of uber-liberalism, just like NYC. I'm glad - from a political standpoint - that I don't live there any more. However, I now understand much better how my grandfather felt about what the Communists did to his homeland of Russia (though on a lesser scale, to be sure).

[bayouranger]

Later in the night read.

Thanks for the ping, JB.

[DuncanWaring]

...Dems housed anti-black politicians circa 1898 or 1936, as if that has any relevance whatsoever today.

The Dems to this very day sow welfare dollars in their hell-hole urban plantations and reap votes.

The Democrat party remains the party of slavery to this very day.

[DuncanWaring]

5. Troops will come home per Presidential order very soon...troops with signifant experience in urban and counter-insurgency warfare. The SOB will use them against hardcore holdouts...

I wouldn't count on that one working out quite the way the SOB planned.

[Uhaul]

"Anyone know the laws regarding secession? At some point, it is the only thing that will make sense."

Forget secession. Bloody forget it. I hear that talk all the time here. I'm not going to cower in some diminished country with hostile, crime ridden, broke, corrupt, heavily populated socialist paradises on each coast.

Anyone who isn't blind can see this coming. It is going to get worse every year, every election. I would like to return to a moral and civil society. If I cannot, I will not shrink from the alternative.

[hoagy62]

i think texas can still secede & should
If at first you don't secede, try, try again.

There's just one small problem with this: the belief that Texas is the only state in the Union who has the right to secede in it's state Constitution is a MYTH.

What the truth is: Texas has wording in it's Constitution that sort of 'mimics' the Declaration of Independence as such:

"All poitical power is inherent in the people...they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they think proper."

Now...that doesn't mean that it's a dead issue...

http://www.texassecede.com/faq.asp

Just to set the record straight, y'all.

[Uhaul]

If Obama wins, we'll be able to trace his ascendancy back to the 1960s. That was when the Democrats began their long march into anti-Americanism and totalitarianism, and the GOP lost any recognition that culture is a defining feature of society. They generally chose not to fight the Democrats on social issues, but to concentrate only on national security and economics. Social conservatives were told that the GOP needed to capitulate in the culture war, since those issues “don't matter”. All we needed to worry about was keeping taxes low and the military strong. It didn't matter who controlled the public schools, didn't matter if millions of people from alien cultures flooded in, didn't matter if abortion and homosexuality were legitimized, didn't matter if the culture became a sewer. Just keep taxes low and maintain a strong defense, and let those “divisive” social issues slide. Well, we see the result. The nation's demographics are changing, with Democrats now taking several states that were once solid GOP. Most people under age 30, educated by MTV and the publik skools, lean far to the left and are indifferent to their own nation's survival. Speech codes are sprouting up. Diversity training seminars tell us what beliefs we're allowed to hold, at risk of being fired for straying too far outside the PC realm. People increasingly define freedom not as free speech, political liberty, economic liberty, or religious liberty, but as having a “right” to health care, housing, or other goodies, and as a “right” not to be offended by non-PC speech.

And the result is, not only have we lost our culture, but we're not even going to maintain the economic freedom or strong national defense that the “moderate” Republicans supposedly wanted to defend. They never figured out that the reason the left spent so much time pushing social liberalism was that once a society becomes socially liberal, it was automatically demand socialist economics and a passive, weak military. They seemed to think we could have a population of activist homosexuals, abortion-loving feminists, and Third World migrants who were committed to the military, to patriotism, and to economic liberty.

So the impending Obama elevation (if it occurs) will be the final judgment on “moderate” Republicanism. And that judgment is, it doesn't work. It only whets the public’s appetite for dependency and socialism. Looks like the hated Southern social conservatives and Northern ethnic Catholics were right all along.

But I have great confidence in the ability of some around here to tell us, if Obama wins, that his election proves we need to be even more socially liberal in future elections.

Excellent!

[21twelve]

Here’s a thread that has a long, but very important booklet called “The Revolution Was”, by Garet Garrett (1938). Lots of parallels to today. I wish more folks would read this lesson from history.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/929392/posts

Here’s an excerpt:

So it was that a revolution took place within the form. Like the hagfish, the New Deal entered the old form and devoured its meaning from within. The revolutionaries were inside; the defenders were outside. A government that had been supported by the people and so controlled by the people became one that supported the people and so controlled them. Much of it is irreversible. That is true because habits of dependence are much easier to form than to break. Once the government, on ground of public policy, has assumed the responsibility to provide people with buying power when they are in want of it, or when they are unable to provide themselves with enough of it, according to a minimum proclaimed by government, it will never be the same again.

All of this is said by one who believes that people have an absolute right to any form of government they like, even to an American Welfare state, with status in place of freedom, if that is what they want. The first of all objections to the New Deal is neither political nor economic. It is moral.

[archy]

What would it be permissable to use the enemy’s tactics? If the enemy uses guerrilla warfare and roadside bombs, would it be okay to do the same?

Once the protectrions of the US Constitution have been effectively eliminated for you, so to are those protections for our enemies dissolved. Laws that follow from constitutional authority no longer remain in effect once the constitution from which they flow is itself corrupted and moot. Neither can *just one constitutional provision, or two, or three* be cherrypicked away- if one goes, they are ALL gone, for us, sadly, but for our adversaries and outright enemies as well.

As for secession, Texas could do it if we didn’t have so many RINOs in Austin.

The Texans of 1836 did not seem to have had much of a problem in that respect, so follow those procedures and policies you thiunk they would have found most suitable. I can claim no great expertise to historical knowledge of those times, during which they suffered great shortages of supplies and minimal technology by today's standards, but I suspect that their approach would have involved a tallish tree and a shortish rope, which would probably not hasve been expended during its utilization and would remain available for reuse should the opportunity again present itself. But I reckon that once the word got around to the carepetbaggers and Quislings, they'd head for healthier climes, and so too would today's cowardly opportunists, who will continue their leeching and backstabbing only so long as there remains no personal risk to them to do so.

My expectation, though, based on my previous residence in Texas more than a decade back, is that you'll find some such critters most everywhere in Lone Star Country, though fewer there than in the rat-infested pismire urban colonies on the East and West coasts in particular but throughout the USA, to be sure.

[Nowhere Man]

The North and South could have survived without one another. If the South had won and gone their separate way, it would have simply been another case of a region breaking off from an established nation, something that has happened many times in history.

I think over time, ignoring the "butterfly effect," if history went the same or almost the same as today with World War I to the Cold War to now, I think it is possible the North and South would be allies and part of NATO. I'm an alternate history buff. Harry Turtledove has a series of books out there where the South and North fought against each other in World War One and when their equivalent of World War II came along, the South was like the Nazis. Interesting stories but I think in reality, there will have been a time of apprehension but North and South would eventually work together much like we do with Canada now.

It isn’t that all liberals are dependent people. Some are quite wealthy. But those wealthy liberals use the conservative middle class as a buffer against the large number of liberals who are indeed dependent, prone to violence, and culturally degraded. If we were to split into separate leftist and righting nations, the upscale white leftists such as Kos, Streisand, and all the others would find themselves outvoted immediately by the welfare crazed, affirmative action demanding masses wanting “housing”, “health care”, racial preferences, and so forth. They need a conservative presence in society as a buffer to allow them to indulge their liberal fantasies against the reality of what socialism and diversity really mean.

They would have to find a way to "provide for all" or what you just said will happen. Even the European nations with their socialism do have enough sense to allow relative freedom in capitalism to support their systems although a homogenious population does help but with the introduction of Moslems into Europe, that could tip the balance.

[Nowhere Man]

Considering the racist hatred shown by blacks on the subject of Obama, and tossing in the known violence left-wingers are prone to when they don’t get their way, I’m glad left-wingers don’t believe in firearms and we do.

I don't feel comfortable talking about this but from what I see, I cannot avoid it. There is a series of post-apocalyptic books (I get into post-apocalyptic fiction as a hobby) called "Out of the Ashes" by William Johnstone. It is about where there is an atomic war between the US/USSR in the late 1980's or 1990's. General Ben Raines gets a group together to rebuild the U.S. to it's original ideals piece by piece. The new U.S. doesn't take race into consideration, as long as you work hard and abide by the law and defend the country, you're OK. Affirmative action is gone.

The characters in the book (this was Johnstone's opinion) discussed that if there wasn't an atomic war, there would have been a race war or civil war. The idea was over where the affirmative action and its associations, if they were still in place, would create resentment among the Whites and Asians where it would polarize both sides into a possible war.

I do admit I feel resentment myself from time to time. My parents divorced in 1976, I was 9/10. Mom had to get a good paying job, she interviewed with the Port Authority here in Pittsburgh. The interviewer told her she had excellent qualifications and would hire her but he cannot, the next person he had to hire had to be Black. I remember Mom coming home fuming. She should have sued, don't know how far she would have gotten in the 1970's but at least it would be the right thing to do. I keep thinking what Yoda said, "fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate and hate leads to more suffering." I think of Obama wins, this will erupted onto a horrible civil war and/or set race relations back to the 1920's. I've talked to many people in my area, many feel that way, resentment. Some are more forceful. There are times I feel that way and I need to calm down, I have to be honest. I admire Blacks who made it and "get it," like Lynn Swann, Dr. Alan Keyes, Dr. Walter Williams, Bill Cosby, well you get the idea but unfortunately, there are many who cannot get beyond the "I am Black, my ancestors were enslaved so you owe me." Obama will play into that and adding his minions to it, well, it ain't pretty.

I'm not one of these gung ho types, frankly, I'm scared. I'm getting down on my knees and asking God for a miracle for McCain. Hopefully with a McCain victory, we can postpone these troubles to the point where the old 1960's radicals will die off, hopefully the "yung uns" (who need to) today will grow a brain.

[CodeToad]

You’ll be happy to knwo here in Colorado we have a ballot issue for removing AA.