Child support law leaves man a default dad

Tulsa World ^ | October 13, 2008 | Jarrel Wade

[RogerFGay]

but too many parties like the status quo

It's the pork.

[An American In Dairyland]

Roger, I’ve read almost all of the links you’ve put up here in the past. You know what I’m talking about even if others here do not.

[RSmithOpt]

Yes, you are correct....Nifonging people is the new judicial pastime as well as legislating from the bench.

[RogerFGay]

Mr. Gay knows the reason for my posts.

I guess that's acknowledgement that I got it right. wtc911 is pushing the same-sex marriage agenda. The child support reform stuff was the the core of the war against fathers, which was the advance attack on marriage and family. The eventual result was reclassification of marriage and family law such that it produced a constitutional mandate for same-sex marriage. wtc911 doesn't want anyone to understand that. He's trying to avoid political pressure to fix the problem.

[An American In Dairyland]

Roger, you know that I know all about the history of CS reform including the bit about Reagan's part in it. I *already* agreed here with you that your comments about Reagan *are* true and valid.

It is just that I am no longer interested in Reagan's part in it. I've decided he merits a pass on that because it isn't "important." Reagan was a great president who saved the Republican Party and that is all I am focusing on WRT him now.

[RogerFGay]

You say such interesting things. How am I holding Reagan to a higher standard by stating facts about the history of legal reform and his part in it?

[An American In Dairyland]

Pork...family feuds...what’s the difference really? It is all corruption and equally wrong. But when we excuse one, we open the door to excusing *anything.*

[RobRoy]

Man, I’m glad I’m out of those particular woods. It is not lost on me that he said the four years AFTER prison were the worst in his life.

Maybe the easiest solution is to rob a liquor store and try to stay in prison until the child is 18. ;)

[RogerFGay]

I know you’ve read my links — I just couldn’t think of a better way to respond to your comment about how I’d like people to look me up on the Internet to find and read my work then by posting links. Maybe some of the other readers looking through each response post will find the links.

[RogerFGay]

Guys - seriously. Congress was very heavily involved in this stuff, as well as state governors and legislators. It’s a pork-barrel scheme. The courts are not guilty of legislating from the bench - only manipulating decisions to allow the unconstitutional scheme to continue.

[An American In Dairyland]

Not here, Roger. You *know* who I’m comparing Reagan to in this reference. You want to discuss it further, contact me via email. If not, I’m equally fine with that, too.

[RobRoy]

I’d move to a certain central american nation...

If I had it to do over again, I would never have paid child support. Not a dime. But my children would have been free to come live with me and then I would have fully supported them as members of my family living under my roof.

‘Course, that is because my own children were taken from me, against my will and without cause. And I STILL had to buy anything they had that was nice since my ex was using the $3,400 a month I was paying to pad her own retirement.

[RogerFGay]

Pork...family feuds...what’s the difference really? It is all corruption and equally wrong. But when we excuse one, we open the door to excusing *anything.*

The difference is government power.

[Doohickey]

"If you got me on default, you should still have to prove that I'm the father," he said.

You want justice? Ridiculous. You'll get none of that. You're just an ambulatory wallet to the family courts.

[RogerFGay]

Reagan was a great president who saved the Republican Party

The Republican Party is looking more dead by the minute. This is the Reagan legacy catching up with them. You can't deny it has nothing to do with it, as every one of them in the primaries tried to emulate him, and even McCain had to say his name a couple of times in the debates and elsewhere. They're continuing his legacy - i.e. "Ronald Reagan's Mistake" - and they're paying the price for it.

[An American In Dairyland]

I know you’ve read my links — I just couldn’t think of a better way to respond to your comment about how I’d like people to look me up on the Internet to find and read my work then by posting links. Maybe some of the other readers looking through each response post will find the links.

I'm fine with you using my posts as a springboard to enlightening other people. You have written many good and accurate articles on the topic and people SHOULD get steered to them to educate themselves on these topics.

However, I have learned things that I'd have been happier not knowing from you. Now I cannot just walk blindly in lockstep with every thing you put up here especially in regards to your personal *feelings* about matters. I know you know what I mean.

[An American In Dairyland]

The difference is government power.

Oh, Lord, the sweet irony! Do you even realize what you just said???

[Tammy8]

It is really past time to use a little common sense in these cases. If the man is proven to not be the father, he should be totally off the hook for child support.

At this point, the only way this will be fixed is to lobby to change the law in the states that do child support this way. These officials and courts will never back down on this unless a law forces them to.

[An American In Dairyland]

Roger, you know WHO I am comparing Reagan here to.

[RogerFGay]

Now I cannot just walk blindly in lockstep with every thing you put up here especially in regards to your personal *feelings* about matters. I know you know what I mean.

Yep ... like lambs to the slaughter we walk every election year. But now we know too much and can't just get swept up by the intentionally manipulative emotional arguments and dive off the cliff with the others.