Posted on 10/09/2008 12:16:02 PM PDT by mnehring
I think he’s a national treasure, one that is being wasted.
Somebody is probably writing a thesis about that right now. It's complicated.
In 1854 former Whigs ran as the "Opposition Party" and they actually won a majority in the House of Representatives. This group became the Republicans. In 1856, they nominated Fremont and came in second in the presidential elections.
Other Whigs joined the "American Party," also called the "Know-Nothings." The Whigs didn't quite die out yet -- Millard Fillmore the "Know Nothing" candidate for President in 1856 ran on the Whig label in many states, and the Constitutional Union Party of 1860 was considered by many to be "the Whigs" -- but they were pretty much a "spent force" by 1854.
In any case, so far no party has gone from being an established third party to one of the two major parties. There has to be a collapse or disappearance of one party for a new one to replace it.
Probably because there was nobody in office anywhere who was worth that much.
You can say the candidates were poor quality, but because this was an "open election" there were more of them than usual.
Also, more of them had held actual elected office (unlike Perot or Forbes or Keyes or Buchanan) and were therefore considered "electable" or "Presidential" or competent.
If you really want a big picture answer, maybe this will help.
Plus his organization started bitter in-fighting which turned off a lot of the grass-roots volunteers.
I can think of two "major" parties that need to be "collapsed" right now.
We will agree to disagree. I think he is a charlatan.
I know better.
Me too.
I don’t like Allan Keyes.
Not that it matters one whit as he isn’t going to be a factor in winning the Presidency during his lifetime but it appears that many others didn’t like him enough to elect him in any of his numerous elective attempts. People make a living in many different ways and once you find a niche to bring in the cash then you keep at it. He has found his niche.
Libertarianism is genetic, there is a libertarian gene, you either get it or you don’t.
The ‘L’ party was once about just getting the message out to those of us who could hear it.
Now they want to win elections. The Libertarian Party is over, it does not exist anymore. Libertarians will stay home for this election.
Bob Barr ? No libertarian would vote for him.
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Hutchison Whampoa is a Chinese company associated with teh People’s Liberation Army. Thus, if HW is “involved with the ports at Cristobal and Balboa”, then the Chinese are. And controlling those sites at the ends of the Canal is de facto controlling the canal.
Dr. Keyes is one of the most brilliant and articulate advocates for our point of view on the scene today.
It was essentially a merger of the Whigs who didn't join the Republican Party with the American Party (the "Know-Nothings").
A number of errors here. The Federalists were first, and the Republicans ran a candidate in the 3rd presidential election. The Republicans won the fourth election, but they were the ancestors of the Democrat party. The Federalists lost every election through the 8th, getting smaller, and their disloyalty in the War of 1812 led to the Democratic Republicans running unopposed in 1820. In 1824 four regional candidates ran, the election went to the House. The fourth place finisher, excluded by the XII Amendment backed the 2nd place finisher, and the bitterness led to forming a new party, the National Republicans, which lost to the Democrats.
After a couple of additional elections the National Republicans changed its name to the Whigs. From that point until 1852 the Democrats won each election but two, in which Whig Generals were elected President and died in office, The coming Civil War split the Whigs between Northern and Southern Whigs, and the party collapsed after 1852, Northern Whigs along with anti-slavery Democrats formed the new Republican Party, while Southern Whigs, together with the minor Anti-mason party's remnants and some others formed the new American Party (Know-Nothings). Fremont got more votes than ex-president Fillmore, but Buchanan got a majority of the electors. The two new parties in a coalition ran the House, but the AmericanParty died in the crisis of 1860.
The Democrats split between northern and southern Democrats, the remnants of the American party (southern Whigs) formed the Constitutional Union party. Lincoln got a majority of the electors with only about 40% of the vote.
Since the Civil War the democrats and Republicans have been the major two parties. Minor Parties like the Liberal Republicans, Populist party, Prohibition party, Socialist party, and a new pro-communist American party, ran and got a few percentages of the vote, and were absorbed into the major parties. The Progressives under Teddy Roosevelt were a great threat in 1912 and the GOP was 3rd that year, but the Progressives faded away with Lafollete. Dixiecrats in 1948, southern democrats in 1960, and George Wallace's American Independent party in 1968 seemed to threaten the system, and so did Ross Perot.
Believe what you want.
It’s a free country.
I don't see whoever wins this Novembner as more than a one-termer. The last time teh country elected three consecutive two-term Presidents, tehir names were Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe.
http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/1999/nov99/psrnov99.html
“The 50-year leases were awarded to a Chinese Hong Kong corporation named Hutchison Whampoa operating under the name Hutchison Port Holdings.
The billionaire chairman of Hutchison Whampoa, Li Ka-shing, was a business and political buddy of the late Deng Xiaoping and now has the same close relationship with both Jiang Zemin and the Riady financial empire of Indonesia.
Li was China’s chief agent in facilitating China’s smooth takeover of Hong Kong in 1997. Hutchison Whampoa partnered in several enterprises with China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO), which is directly controlled by the People’s Liberation Army, and served as a middleman in China’s deals with the U.S. firms Hughes and Loral.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/791620/posts
http://www.newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff164.htm
“a Chinese firm, Hutchison Whampoa, now controls not only the ports at both ends of the Panama Canal but ports and terminals in Mexico. The company has close ties to the Chinese regime.”
But hey, believe what you want. It’s a free country.
“It’s a free country”
It’s not a free country. America is reallky close to being a socialist police state.
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