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Gifted children in public schools (vanity)
September 19, 2008 | A mother

Posted on 09/19/2008 3:15:48 PM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: MissEdie; angeliquemb9; reaganaut1
That might not work because IEP’s are documents that are mandated by the federal government to help with the educational needs of children with disablities, not ones who are gifted. Your idea of asking for testing is a good one, but I can guarentee the school district will probably drag it’s feet at accommodating the parent in this request.

Looks like there's lots of good advice on the thread already...

If you want to keep your daughter in the public schools, an IEP is an option. I had one for most of my time in school (graduated 2003). You might have to push for it if they don't have a gifted program.

Push to get her out of that math class if she's ready for something more advanced. There are few things worse than being stuck in class where either 1) the work is far too easy and there is no challenge or 2) the teacher uses her to teach the other kids. The latter seems to be one of the approaches that the NCLB proponents like to use... it caters to the lowest common denominator. My sister just graduated with a teaching degree, and I've been trying to explain to her the flaws of that approach, and she just doesn't get it. Don't be surprised to find similar attitudes with your daughter's teachers.

61 posted on 09/19/2008 8:39:29 PM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: reaganaut1

I am planning to enroll her in [a private math school] to do some more advanced work in a structured setting but that doesn’t solve the problem of this year’s math class.
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The above will likely not solve the problem...but,...Hey, I suppose it’s worth investigating.

The private schools in my area were just as rigid as the government school and similarly incapable of dealing with children who are 2 to 3 standard deviations above the norm.


62 posted on 09/19/2008 9:12:55 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: RKBA Democrat
My advice is to pull this child out of the government school in question and do it now. The school in question will never provide the quality of education that the parent can provide with a few used textbooks and some attention. The parent can spend countless hours lobbying for better treatment for her child, or spend the time simply teaching her.

Resounding YES. That would be the first choice. However, if it's just not feasible, second choice is to drive them up the wall.

63 posted on 09/19/2008 9:54:49 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: GCC Catholic
The latter seems to be one of the approaches that the NCLB proponents like to use... it caters to the lowest common denominator.

Just as an aside, in my experience, the "every child can succeed" peer-tutoring crowd is, and always has been, opposed to NCLB, because they think standardized testing doesn't show the child's true abilities and it stifles creativity. In fact, they don't like accountability at all.

Some of us realize that some schools and teachers weren't doing a very good job, like the idea of being held accountable, but think it's unrealistic to think that every child will ever be able to work "on grade level", must less by 2014.

And then there are those who seem to think it's possible, and they're going to make it happen, no matter how far tests have to be dumbed down before then....

64 posted on 09/20/2008 5:09:01 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia
Just as an aside, in my experience, the "every child can succeed" peer-tutoring crowd is, and always has been, opposed to NCLB, because they think standardized testing doesn't show the child's true abilities and it stifles creativity. In fact, they don't like accountability at all.

Fair enough. Maybe it's not the "NCLB proponents". All I know is that mainstream educational theory classes teach that it's a usable strategy.

No matter who it is pushing for it, it's still not the job of the kids to be teaching their peers.

65 posted on 09/20/2008 5:22:35 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: reaganaut1
What state are you in?

I would consider having your daughter take the GED and start her on college.

If not, a dual credit class that allows 11 Y.O. students.

66 posted on 09/20/2008 8:20:40 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: reaganaut1
I have a lot of experience with young adults (medical school) who have been accelerated 1-4 years in their pre-collegiate education.

It's almost always a bad idea.

Every once in a great while, there is an individual whose maturity accelerates along with their academics.

But that's rare.

Much more commonly, people who skip grades wind up lazy and bored. A student who is "bored" with sixth grade math is at risk of chronic boredom and cynicism - as an emerging personality trait - and acceleration does nothing to address this.

Just my 2c - but it's based on a big sample size.

And, BTW, I've also just finished 3 years as Chairman of a Christian school.

Most parents who are seeking acceleration for their children "have issues".

67 posted on 09/20/2008 8:25:55 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When He rolls up His sleeves, He ain't just puttin' on the Ritz)
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To: DrC

“But my general impression is that most school districts feel far less obligation to meet the needs of G&T students. Good luck.”

There are federal and state laws saying that schools must properly serve “special needs” kids, but gifted children are not covered by the Federal law or most of the state laws. Gifted kids can often be helped by skipping a grade, which saves the school district (and the taxpayer) money, but schools officials want to maximize enrollment.


68 posted on 09/20/2008 12:22:37 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

‘“get singapore math books”
If these are basically the same as the Chinese Math books my wife used, this is a great tip.’

Probably the poster was referring to Singapore Math curriculum sold from http://www.singaporemath.com/ and used by many homeschoolers. Singapore Math has also been approved for use in the public schools of California.


69 posted on 09/20/2008 12:29:54 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1
Just tell the teachers that you don't care what they think is "appropriate." Tell them it's not their call to make.

Trust me, if the teachers are at all worth it, they'll be happy to have a child with an involved parent.

70 posted on 09/20/2008 12:36:58 PM PDT by jude24
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To: reaganaut1

I tutor kids, mostly in Middle School math. Having homeschooled my own son K-12 (tho he graduated at 15, in ‘10th’), I realized the benefits of working one-on-one AND of letting them go at their own speed.

I have many math students who are held back because either there are not enough spots in the faster class or their class schedule does not allow them to be in the more advanced math. They are BORED to death, ready to move on, frustrated beyond belief by the kids in their classes who do not understand basic math/ whom they have to wait for.

I would teach my daughter math myself, if I were you. You might have to homeschool her to do that. The public schools should not be able to control her academic advancement. Perhaps a private school will accomodate your daughter’s strengths, but don’t count on it.

The schools make math seem terribly hard, like you have to have one year of every sub-category before you go on. It is just not so. We used Straight-Forward math workbooks, which covered concepts one by one and did not have chapters worth of problems to work, and we worked very quickly through advanced math, into pre-calculus. My son is in advanced, advanced math classes in college, studying Computer Science, and his math foundation from these simple books was very strong.

You can do it. You just have to see beyond THEIR plan for your life.


71 posted on 09/20/2008 3:08:23 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Roses0508

(Gasp) they said she was an over-achiever? Isn’t that just terrible? And we pay for that idiocy, for their little kingdoms which no one must challenge.

To the original poster: Homeschool. You CAN pull her out mid-term. We did. People do it all the time. Find the local homeschool group. You will find the most knowledgeable folks, ready to help you get started. They’ll have books to refer you to, ideas to share. It is an exciting and wonderful adventure. And your daughter’s interest in math will be fed, which is, after all, what education REALLY is all about.

grrr.


72 posted on 09/20/2008 3:12:23 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: reaganaut1
My 7th grader is taking Algebra. 20% of his grade is taking Algebra. Tell them to move to a school district in Newsweek's top 500.
73 posted on 09/20/2008 5:56:22 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: GCC Catholic
All I know is that mainstream educational theory classes teach that it's a usable strategy. No matter who it is pushing for it, it's still not the job of the kids to be teaching their peers.

I agree on both counts.

74 posted on 09/20/2008 7:02:50 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: TaxRelief

That’s a good point. My nieces in Virginia all took Algebra I in 7th grade.


75 posted on 09/20/2008 7:03:47 PM PDT by Amelia
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