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Soldier gets 7 months in deaths of 4 Iraqis (Quote: "I Wanted Them Dead")
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| September 19, 2008
| Seth Robson
Posted on 09/19/2008 2:43:04 PM PDT by xzins
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posted on
09/19/2008 2:43:04 PM PDT
by
xzins
To: RedRover; Girlene; Lancey Howard; brityank; jazusamo; lilycicero; smoothsailing; 4woodenboats; ...
According to information that came out during the trial, the units patrol was fired upon, and the soldiers detained two Iraqi men who were seen running away from a place where weapons were found. Two more Iraqi men were later detained.
I bet money these troops believed these insurgents would be released....just like in the Behenna case. They thought they were preventing future dead Americans.
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posted on
09/19/2008 2:45:01 PM PDT
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain Opposing -> ZerObama: zero executive, military, or international experience)
To: xzins
Seven months isn’t that long...
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posted on
09/19/2008 2:51:16 PM PDT
by
SunStar
(Democrats piss me off!)
To: SunStar
Nope, it isn’t. The only explanation is that there were extenuating circumstances in addition to the plea deal.
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posted on
09/19/2008 2:53:19 PM PDT
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain Opposing -> ZerObama: zero executive, military, or international experience)
To: xzins
Again, it's quite telling that it's the sergeants who acted, not the enlisted men. They understood themselves to be acting to protect their own men from insurgents whom they knew would be released.
Where are the dereliction of duty courts martials for the a$$hats who managed the 'catch and release' program?
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posted on
09/19/2008 4:22:30 PM PDT
by
pierrem15
(Charles Martel: past and future of France)
To: xzins; RedRover; jazusamo; Girlene; freema; darrylsharratt; Shelayne; Lancey Howard; lilycicero; ...
As part of the [pretrial] agreement, Ramos agreed to testify against other members of his unit.
Ramos, 23, who appeared at a court-martial Thursday, was one of seven soldiers charged with conspiracy to commit premeditated murder stemming from an incident in March or April 2007 in or near Baghdad. Three of them 1st Sgt. John E. Hatley, 40; Sgt. 1st Class Joseph P. Mayo, 27, and Sgt. Michael P. Leahy Jr., 26 also are charged with premeditated murder for allegedly shooting four Iraqi detainees in the head and dumping their bodies in a canal.
Ramos had waived his right to a pretrial hearing and pleaded guilty. Under military law, the pretrial agreement is kept secret until the judge sentences the convicted soldier. The soldier then is given the lesser of the two sentences. Seems that after seeing their rail-road jobs being decimated in the Stateside courts by competent civilian attorneys JAG is no longer willing to allow these men access to other than JAG-sympathetic Defense-assigned officers. It's pretty sad when I feel I can no longer trust certain sections of our own military, but JAG has proven itself to be nothing less than useful idiots for the socialist US-destroying politicians, of which we have far too many.
Thanks, Chaplain; with sad prayers for justice.
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posted on
09/19/2008 4:34:13 PM PDT
by
brityank
(The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
To: pierrem15; RedRover
There is something that’s terrible about catch and release if you’re certain that the man being released is a killer. What do you tell the family? “We’re sorry your son is dead. We knew his killer was a killer. We’d caught him and had to let him go. He finally got got his chance, but your son was the unlucky one.”
And then the troops begin to see a pattern in which ones they release. They know the authorities release the ones who have no weapon in their hands and who are not within X feet of one.
So they play by the law of the jungle instead of the law of civilization, and they end up in prison.
I’m just guessing, of course, because no one’s let a sufficient amount of background see the light. I’m betting I’m not far off the mark.
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posted on
09/19/2008 4:38:09 PM PDT
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain Opposing -> ZerObama: zero executive, military, or international experience)
To: xzins
“I said I was cool with it. ... I understood at the time that taking care of them would mean that they would end up dead. I didnt care,” he testified.”
Its callous and idiotic mindsets like that which ensure we win the war but lose the peace. One wonders how many terrorists have been spawned due to his psychopathy.
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posted on
09/19/2008 4:45:17 PM PDT
by
KantianBurke
(President Bush, why did you abandon Specialist Ahmed Qusai al-Taei?)
To: KantianBurke
Read the other 7 posts and see what you think.
What if they knew that they knew that they knew that the insurgents were killers?
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posted on
09/19/2008 4:47:13 PM PDT
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain Opposing -> ZerObama: zero executive, military, or international experience)
To: RedRover
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posted on
09/19/2008 5:00:42 PM PDT
by
lilycicero
(I would bang my head on the floor, but I wouldn't want to be mistaken as a ramadame...#8.)
To: KantianBurke
One wonders how many terrorists have been spawned due to his psychopathy.Eleven. But they're all dead now.
BTW, haven't seen you on the Haditha threads since they started to be exonerated. How come? You only interested in slamming our troops? C'mon, admit it. You had your head up your ass about Haditha. Confession is good for the soul.
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posted on
09/19/2008 5:41:37 PM PDT
by
RedRover
(DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
To: lilycicero
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posted on
09/19/2008 5:47:08 PM PDT
by
RedRover
(DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
To: RedRover; KantianBurke
Confession? You’re giving us all a good laugh, Red.
He’s had all our military convicted before even being charged. He and Murtha think alike, the presumption of innocence doesn’t exist in their world. They also both suffer BDS to the extreme.
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posted on
09/19/2008 5:52:17 PM PDT
by
jazusamo
(DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
To: brityank
"It's pretty sad when I feel I can no longer trust certain sections of our own military, but JAG has proven itself to be nothing less than useful idiots for the socialist US-destroying politicians, of which we have far too many."
Exactly my sentiments as well.
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posted on
09/19/2008 6:14:38 PM PDT
by
Marine_Uncle
(Duncan Hunter was our best choice.)
To: jazusamo; RedRover; KantianBurke; brityank; lilycicero; Girlene; xzins
Ole' !!! Mr. Rover!!!
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posted on
09/19/2008 6:49:26 PM PDT
by
bigheadfred
(Encore! Encore!)
To: bigheadfred
Is that a whip on his shoulder?
To: lilycicero
Hey Hey Lily, why did the unarmed insurgent cross the road?
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posted on
09/19/2008 7:02:29 PM PDT
by
bigheadfred
(Still LMAO)
To: lilycicero
whipGOOD EYE!!!
We'll leave it at that. :-)
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posted on
09/19/2008 7:04:08 PM PDT
by
bigheadfred
(Still LMAO)
To: bigheadfred; lilycicero
That’s a great graphic, Fred.
I believe that’s a riding crop, Lily. See the leather strap around his wrist?
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posted on
09/19/2008 7:06:03 PM PDT
by
jazusamo
(DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
To: bigheadfred
Hey Hey Lily, why did the unarmed insurgent cross the road? Did he have arms before American GI ripped them off and beat him over his black and white picnic tablecloth covered, floor bangin noggin?
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posted on
09/19/2008 7:07:38 PM PDT
by
lilycicero
(Warning...I am in a mean mood)
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