"Unmasking The Source of an Internet Rumor" [FR is hurting the Obama campaign!]

Obama for America ^ | Jun 28th, 2008

[thingumbob]

Yes, I saw that.....

Rule number one: If they accuse us of doing something then they've already done it before.

[vharlow]

Because of that article in the Post, my distant California daughter worried that I only get my news from fringe sites like freerepublic and CAS list, and that I was getting all the smears. I informed her in no uncertain terms that those sources were more reliable than anywhere else, and that I was capable of discerning truth at my great age, especially since I get two newspapers as well. I read a variety of news information and get lots of the slime stuff that we comment on here. She said I was "crazy" and that caused such a tiff we have barely spoken since. I blame Obama. hehehe.

I pointed out that the article she cited was, in fact, a smear. Done very cleverly by a PhD scholar, but a smear none the less.

[JerseyDvl]

Very well reasoned and I suppose that I should look more to the little story or the timing of an incident rather than for BANNER HEADLINES all the time.
This Birth Certificate thing is so evident and I know about 12 people who have talked about it and know I had given them more “color” than ever before and have asked about it since their FR-education.
I kind of went out on a limb though and have since hedged my bet. Hoping that a knowledge source such as Jimrob’s can still be tapped, I told everyone that we should stop discussing it and wait for the October Surprise, ala BUSH DWI :) I can’t delay much further than that and must keep hope alive.

[PhilDragoo]

Michael Reagan told listeners yesterday to either google for the 2005 Republican bill to reform Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, or log onto Free Republic Dot Com.

Do you have a web address for that--I got my filter from a razor-sharp professor and it doesn't allow me to see anything contrary to Marxist-Muslim orthodoxy.

[kcvl]

Dr. Danielle Allen, a political theorist at the Institute for Advanced Study

Ms. Allen “volunteered full time for the Obama campaign as a field organizer in California from the end of December through the February 5th primary.” It would seem to me that instead of seeking to embellish Ms. Allen with hyper rhetoric, Mr. Mosk should have provided his readers with the details about her extensive involvement with the Obama campaign. Almost two months of full-time activity, during the same period of her research, is a substantial connection. Mosk failed to do so. I believe the Post published a misleading and incomplete article.

http://tinyurl.com/3vmxn2

[kcvl]

(NEW YORK)(July 10, 2008)

Danielle Allen, Senator Barack Obama’s pseudo-’scholar’ and campaign hatchet-girl, has surfaced again. This time she wants to repeal the U. S. Constitution to protect Obama. Will wonders never cease? And the moribund print media, in the face of the Washington Post, are using Allen as a ‘front’ to further their own agenda of discrediting the Internet as a competing source of information. Affirmative action, anyone?

For those just joining the controversy, on June 28th Danielle Allen suddenly appeared, ‘out of the ether’ to use the Post’s own phrase, claiming to be a ‘political expert’ and being presented by the Washington Post (WP) as ‘razor-sharp.’ It turned out Allen was a distinctly dull blade. The WP neglected to disclose Allen was an Obama campaign operative.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/27/AR20080

I expressed surprise at how and why Allen had surfaced. Her sudden appearance looked very suspicious. On further inquiry, I documented she was indeed a suspicious character. Allen and I conducted a very civilized e-mail correspondence, up to a point. When I started asking probing questions about her links to the Obama campaign, she went silent. [I will try to remember to post my unanswered questions to Allen.]

The WP lied about Allen’s status, concealed her agenda, and presented a misleading picture of a legitimate campaign issue: how were voters dealing with Barack Obama’s family roots in the Islamic religion?

Today, July 10th, Allen surfaces again, baring her true agenda and telling us something abut the malign agenda of the Obama campaign: to stamp out anonymous speech on the Internet. Anti-Obama anonymous speech. I realize that affirmative action has deep roots in the academic community. Universities have resisted removing quotas for students and faculty. But do we simply accept unqualified opinions on the pages of the Washington Post, without asking why someone manifestly incompetent is being promoted into the status of a commentator?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/09/AR20080

http://tinyurl.com/3f8d82

[kcvl]

Allen, Danielle
Chicago , IL 60615
Institute for adv Study/Professor OBAMA, BARACK (D)
President
OBAMA FOR AMERICA $1,100
primary 12/07/07

Allen, Danielle
Chicago , IL 60615
Institute for adv Study/Professor OBAMA, BARACK (D)
President
OBAMA FOR AMERICA $500
primary 11/16/07

Allen, Danielle
Chicago , IL 60615
Institute for adv Study/Professor OBAMA, BARACK (D)
President
OBAMA FOR AMERICA $250
primary 09/30/07

Allen, Danielle
Chicago , IL 60615
Institute for adv Study/Professor OBAMA, BARACK (D)
President
OBAMA FOR AMERICA $500
primary 08/08/07

Allen, Danielle
Chicago, IL 60615
UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO/DEAN HUMANITI KERRY, JOHN F (D)
President
JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT INC $500
primary 07/27/04

ALLEN, DANIELLE SUSAN
CHICAGO, IL 60615
UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO OBAMA, BARACK (D)
Senate - IL
OBAMA FOR ILLINOIS INC $400
general 07/26/04

[kcvl]

Danielle Allen has contributed $2350 to the Obama for President campaign.

Danielle Allen contributed $400 to the Obama for Senate campaign.

She also contributed $500 to John Kerry’s presidential campaign.

[editor-surveyor]

Bump for later

[Beckwith]

Obama converted, baptized into Wright's church 20 years ago

There is absolutely no record of Obama's baptism, anywhere, anytime.

He's a Christian only because he says so. Swearing allegiance to the "Black Value System" does not a Christian make.

Now, if you want a discussion of whether a religious entity that is based on "Black Liberation Theology" is even a Christian church, we can have that discussion also.

Obama's religion is socialism - - at best.

Obama's Religion

[LiveFreeOrDie2001]

Obama’s a Christian because George Stephanolopus said so.

[editor-surveyor]

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Achance to sound off at Ziff Davis

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[DBrow]

“There is absolutely no record of Obama’s baptism, anywhere, anytime.”

In the Audacity of Hope, Obama wrote, “I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized.”

Just his word. I get your point, though, it’s just his word.

My point in the post was that we would still be foolish to elect a murtad fitri, no matter how sincere his conversion, with a written record of baptism, a thousand witnesses, and a shaky handheld camcorder record of it.

[Beckwith]

In the Audacity of Hope, Obama wrote, “I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized.”

Well, Obama needs to get his story straight.

In an extended interview with Cathleen Falsani, religion columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times, writes, "He (Obama) described his conversion experience in his mid-20s, how he walked the aisle at Trinity United Church of Christ one Sunday in a public affirmation of his private change of heart."

"I came to Christianity through the black church tradition where the line between evangelical and non-evangelical is completely blurred. Nobody knows exactly what it means."

"Does it mean that you feel you've got a personal relationship with Christ the savior? Then that's directly part of the black church experience. Does it mean you're born-again in a classic sense, with all the accoutrements that go along with that, as it's understood by some other tradition? I'm not sure."

"There are aspects of Christian tradition that I'm comfortable with and aspects that I'm not. There are passages of the Bible that make perfect sense to me and others that I go, 'Ya know, I'm not sure about that.'"

"It wasn't an epiphany," he says of that public profession of faith. "It was much more of a gradual process for me. I know there are some people who fall out. Which is wonderful. God bless them.... I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."

The specifically political character of his new church is what drew Obama out of his skeptical isolation and into religion. Obama wrote::

"But as the months passed in Chicago, I found myself drawn to the church."

"For one thing, I believed and still believe in the power of African-American religious tradition to spur social change . . . the black church understands in an intimate way the biblical call to feed the hungry and cloth the naked and challenge the powers and principalities . . . I was able to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death; it is an active, palpable agent in the world. It is a source of hope."

"It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and affirm my Christian faith."

Falsani warns us that Obama’s walking the aisle at Trinity is poles apart from what Christians commonly refer to as being "saved, transformed or washed in the blood." In other words, it’s not to be confused with what Jesus called being "born again."

Answering Rev. Wright's"altar call" and pledging allegiance to the "Black Value System" aint' no baptism - - not now - - not ever.

Obama's description of his "baptism" is a lie.

Obama's Religion

[Beckwith]

Dr. Danielle Allen is a member of Obama’s Campaign. She claims she retired in March 2008, the day before beginning the witch hunt discussed on this thread.

She is a maximum contributor to Obama ‘08 and has been an Obama campaign contributor since 2004.

She is a professor at U. Chicago, as is Obama and she is using her UPS-funded grant money to engage in a partisan political campaign.

With all her education, awards, grants and membership at the Institute for Advanced Study (IAS), at Princeton, Danielle Allen is nothing more than an Obama shill.

[Beckwith]

Just because Reverend Wright is good friends with Louis Farakhan doesn’t mean he’s a muslim.

Rev. Wright is an ex-member of the Nation of Islam. His master's degree from U. Chicago is in history of religions with a focus on Islam.

I'm not here to argue. I'm here to try and get to the facts.

[DBrow]

Thanks, Beckwith, that was deep and detailed!

If Obama becomes president, it still will be difficult for him to respond when a large number of the rulers of Muslim countries calls him an apostate, murtad fitri.

It does look, though, that he never became Christian as most of us understand it.

[antisocial]

Long as we’re on the subject, here’s an e-mail I got recently:LAWYER’S PARTY

Lawyers

This is very interesting! I never thought about it this way. Perhaps

this is why so many physicians are conservatives or Republicans.

Thoughtful point of view... The Democrat Party has become the

Lawyers’ Party. Barack Obama and

Hillary Clinton are lawyers. Bill Clinton and Michelle Obama are

lawyers. John Edwards, the other former Democrat candidate for

president, is a lawyer, and so is his wife, Elizabeth. Every Democrat

nominee since 1984 went to law school (although Gore did not graduate).

Every Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976, except for Lloyd

Bentsen, went to law school. Look at the Democrat Party in Congress:

the Majority Leader in each house is a lawyer.

The Republican Party is different. President Bush and Vice President

Cheney were not lawyers, but businessmen. The leaders of the Republican

Revolution were not lawyers. Newt Gingrich was a history professor; Tom

Delay was an exterminator; and, Dick Armey was an economist. House

Minority Leader Boehner was a plastics manufacturer, not a lawyer. The

former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is a heart surgeon.

Who was the last Republican President who was a lawyer? Gerald Ford,

who left office 31 years ago and who barely won the Republican

nomination as a sitting President, running against Ronald Reagan in

1976. The Republican Party is made up of real people doing real work.

The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats mock and scorn men

who create wealth, like Bush and Cheney, or who heal the sick, like

Frist, or who immerse themselves in history, like Gingrich.

The Lawyers’ Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and

services that people want, as enemies ofAmerica. And so we have seen

the procession of official enemies, in the eyes of the Lawyers’ Party,

grow.

Against whom do Hillary and Obama rail? Pharmaceutical companies, oil

companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast food restaurant chains, large

retail businesses, bankers, and anyone producing anything of value in

our nation.

This is the natural consequence of viewing everything through the eyes

of lawyers. Lawyers solve problems by successfully representing their

clients, in this case the American people. Lawyers seek to have new

laws passed, they seek to win lawsuits, they press appellate courts to

overturn precedent, and lawyers always parse language to favor their

side.

Confined to the narrow practice of law, that is fine. But it is an

awful way to govern a great nation. When politicians as lawyers begin

to view some Americans as clients and other Americans as opposing

parties, then the role of the legal system in our life becomes

all-consuming. Some Americans become ‘adverse parties’ of our very

government. We are not all litigants in some vast social class-action

suit. We are citizens of a republic that promises us a great deal of

freedom from laws, from courts, and from lawyers.

Today, we are drowning in laws; we are contorted by judicial decisions;

we are driven to distraction by omnipresent lawyers in all parts of our

once private lives. America has a place for laws and lawyers, but that

place is modest and reasonable, not vast and unchecked. When the most

important decision for our next President is whom he will appoint to the

Supreme Court, the role of lawyers and the law in America is too big.

When lawyers use criminal prosecution as a continuation of politics by

other means, as happened in the lynching of Scooter Libby and Tom Delay,

then the power of lawyers inAmerica is too great. When House Democrats

sue America in order to hamstring our efforts to learn what our enemies

are planning to do to us, then the role of litigation in America has

become crushing.

We cannot expect the Lawyers’ Party to provide real change, real reform,

or real hope in America Most Americans know that a republic in which

every major government action must be blessed by nine unelected judges

is not what Washington intended in 1789. Most Americans grasp that we

cannot fight a war when ACLU lawsuits snap at the heels of our

defenders. Most Americans intuit that more lawyers and judges will not

restore declining moral values or spark the spirit of enterprise in our

economy.

Perhaps Americans will understand that change cannot be brought to our

nation by those lawyers who already largely dictate American society and

business. Perhaps Americans will see that hope does not come from the

mouths of lawyers but from personal dreams nourished by hard work.

Perhaps Americans will embrace the truth that more lawyers with more

power will only make our problems worse.

Please forward to all.

[TigersEye]

Thank you. Yes, I saw kcvls posts. Excellent research and networking here. Knowing none of that I could see that her “research” was anything but scientific. As I said; as propaganda it is pretty sad even at the grade school level. At least it would have been when I was in grade school in the ‘60s.

[nkycincinnatikid]

I liked that stream of conciousness rap
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