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Report: US helicopters fired on while crossing Pakistani border
Long War Journal ^ | 9/15/08 | Bill Roggio

Posted on 09/15/2008 7:25:53 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter

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To: Straight Vermonter
According to the "Bush Doctrine" (Gibson) we should invade.

According to the "Obama Doctrine" porous borders aren't such a bad thing. Foreign (US) cultural influence (whoop *ss) will result in great diversity.

21 posted on 09/15/2008 9:12:04 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: InterceptPoint

Pakistan operates less than 30 F-16s and is going to get another 30 odd. Meanwhile, it will be BUYING (not getting) almost 290 Chinese fighter aircraft. It can afford to do away with the F-16s other than to play around with the US taxpayer.


22 posted on 09/15/2008 9:20:18 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: misterrob

Hopehully McCain will keep his campaign promise to cut off money to “nations who are not very friendly toward us”

...or that’s as near to the quote as I recall.


23 posted on 09/15/2008 9:45:27 AM PDT by woollyone ("When the tide is low, even a shrimp has its own puddle." - Vance Havner)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Better late than never, eh?


24 posted on 09/15/2008 11:04:34 AM PDT by swarthyguy ( I assume that she wants to be treated the same way that guys want -Obama.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki; Dog

>>The Pakistani Air Force is said to have begun to patrol the tribal areas over the weekend.

Now, that could cause some interesting encounters.

Not only UAV’s over Pakistani airspace, like the Russians downed the Georgian drones, but also, more significant, US chopper flights, the SteroidC130’s, jets and bombers.

Will the Pakistanis actually try to take on the USAF.

Oh, be still, my heart.


25 posted on 09/15/2008 11:07:47 AM PDT by swarthyguy ( I assume that she wants to be treated the same way that guys want -Obama.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
A US military incursion into the Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan was aborted after Pakistani troops opened fire on the force, reports from Pakistan indicate.

How convenient! Brave tales of Pakistani military courage and skill in driving out the American interlopers! You couldn't have made up a better story if you tried.

On second thought, they did make up this story. It's a fairy tale for domestic consumption. Nothing more.

26 posted on 09/15/2008 11:13:25 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("We have your test results, Mr Obama. You have ...Sarahnoia. 2 months, tops, and you're a goner....")
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To: Chickensoup
I cannot support our going into Paki. No reason to expand the war.

How about, "To catch Usama bin Laden"? They wouldn't be raiding across the border if they didn't have great intel. The units doing these raids don't do wild goose chases, and they veto missions that aren't worth the risk.

I have supported Bush up to now. I want our troops home as soon as possible.

I'm sure they're home now. They just fly across the border, do their thing, and come right back.

27 posted on 09/15/2008 11:20:52 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("We have your test results, Mr Obama. You have ...Sarahnoia. 2 months, tops, and you're a goner....")
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To: Steel Wolf
How convenient! Brave tales of Pakistani military courage and skill in driving out the American interlopers! You couldn't have made up a better story if you tried.

On second thought, they did make up this story. It's a fairy tale for domestic consumption. Nothing more.

We have a winner....

28 posted on 09/15/2008 11:22:15 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Chickensoup
They should be enforcing their borders...

Why should they? We don't enforce ours. Maybe that's why Jorge Arbusto was OK with doing this.

29 posted on 09/15/2008 11:28:19 AM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: swarthyguy

Great tag line! Did he really say that?(rhetorical question)


30 posted on 09/15/2008 11:49:44 AM PDT by PhiloBedo (I won't be happy until Jet-A is $2.00 a gallon)
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To: PhiloBedo

Yes, he did, from a couple of weeks ago or so. I think it was an article in the UK Telegraph, posted here.


31 posted on 09/15/2008 11:54:59 AM PDT by swarthyguy ( I assume that she wants to be treated the same way that guys want -Obama.)
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To: buckeye12
The new president is just as sympathetic to our security as Musharraf was. Except this time we might get what we pay for. Instead of giving Pakistan 10 billion a year to let AQ set up in the tribal areas, we might just get the green light to go after them

How on Earth does one get to these conclusions given that their govt said they will fire on us for crossing the border and lo and behold they are?

32 posted on 09/15/2008 12:22:27 PM PDT by SwankyC
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the Paks aren’t bad pilots, but jet fuel for training
has got to be expensive for such a poor country.

One has to assume that their F16s squak a different IFF
than ours...


33 posted on 09/15/2008 1:11:48 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: rahbert

>> jet fuel for training
has got to be expensive

Not if the USA is paying for it, Lol!


34 posted on 09/15/2008 1:49:27 PM PDT by swarthyguy ( I assume that she wants to be treated the same way that guys want -Obama.)
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To: SwankyC

I didn’t say that the new president had control over his military, that will come with time. Their general just quit for gods sake, of course some of the 2 stars are going to take a few liberties to make a name for themselves


35 posted on 09/16/2008 6:18:51 AM PDT by buckeye12
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