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Philly police chief trains people to be sheep; Complains when they won't fight a wolf
Buckeye Firearms Association ^ | 12 September, 2008 | Jeff Riley

Posted on 09/13/2008 7:28:25 PM PDT by marktwain

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1 posted on 09/13/2008 7:28:26 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
I am speaking as a police officer with 10 years experience. We (police) are outnumbered and many times several minutes away when people need us unless there is a rare occasion that we happen to see something happening. Learn to protect yourselves as we usually arrive after the incident to pick up the pieces. Exercise your 2nd amendment right.
2 posted on 09/13/2008 7:34:47 PM PDT by squidward
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To: marktwain
some people will take any opportunity to bash cops. hey, genius, how about chastising the attacker or the justice system as a whole for him being on the street.

but no. attack the police. just keep pushing your own agenda. pathetic.

3 posted on 09/13/2008 7:34:53 PM PDT by thefactor (contributing nothing of value to threads since 2001...)
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To: marktwain

Chiefs of Police and County Sheriffs are not cops....

They are politicians.

In general, real cops support those of us that choose to carry and protect ourselves and those around us.

The politicians are running for re-election.


4 posted on 09/13/2008 7:42:10 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: squidward
thank you, for your service (LEO).too many people are probably afraid to act b/c the fear of getting sued and/or arrested.
5 posted on 09/13/2008 7:43:17 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (If you aren't "advancing" your arguments,your losing "the battle of Ideas"...libs,hates the facts 8^)
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To: thefactor

He wasn’t attacking the police. He was attacking Chief Ramsey.


6 posted on 09/13/2008 7:44:47 PM PDT by ConfusedAndLovingIt
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To: thefactor

“some people will take any opportunity to bash cops. hey, genius, how about chastising the attacker or the justice system as a whole for him being on the street.
but no. attack the police. just keep pushing your own agenda. pathetic.”


I really do not see what you are talking about. Police have given the opposite advise that Philadelphia Police Chief Charles Ramsey is stated as giving. It appears to me that it is the advise and the attitude that is being attacked, not the police in general.


7 posted on 09/13/2008 7:45:07 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo; squidward
Chiefs of Police and County Sheriffs are not cops....They are politicians
...Isn't that the truth...I agree....many are (very) slimy.
8 posted on 09/13/2008 7:49:09 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (If you aren't "advancing" your arguments,your losing "the battle of Ideas"...libs,hates the facts 8^)
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To: ConfusedAndLovingIt
the chief is the face of the police. all this guy is doing is taking this situation and turning it into an argument for his issue: gun rights.

i've been a new york city cop for over 5 years. if i was on that train, i would have shot the guy immediately. if i didnt have a gun on me at the time, i would not have been required to take action, but i like to think i would have.

and yes, i believe law-abiding non-cops should have concealed carry rights.

9 posted on 09/13/2008 7:59:38 PM PDT by thefactor (contributing nothing of value to threads since 2001...)
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So after decades of advocating for disarmament and creating a culture of victims the Chief is now suggesting that unarmed bystanders are supposed to take on hammer wielding maniacs?

Oh for pity's sake, the Chief would be the first one to arrest us if any of us shot the perp with (horrors) a (hitherto concealed) gun.

Talk about a no-win situation!

10 posted on 09/13/2008 8:09:23 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Stand up and pray up!)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Exactly, it’s not the officer’s who are to blame, it is the Establishment in Philly or where ever a Chief is a politico.

I’m glad the victim was not injured severely, but the reaction on the train is downright frightening, no one pulled the emergency lever because they did not want to be hit with the hammer.


11 posted on 09/13/2008 8:13:41 PM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: padre35

In my mostly conservative county, our Sheriff is a conservative, no nonsense, law and order guy.

But, because he seeks re-election, on a regular basis, he demonizes those of us that apply for handgun permits.

His Deputies are thankful for the support we provide......

Quietly.


12 posted on 09/13/2008 8:23:39 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: ConfusedAndLovingIt

Just a little reminder that Ramsey used to be Chief in DC.


13 posted on 09/13/2008 8:27:40 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("Ah! but it was something to have at least a choice of nightmares.")
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To: marktwain

Why do police carry handguns? It’s not to carry out normal, day to day duties. It’s so that they can defend themselves. Why aren’t we allowed to do the same?


14 posted on 09/13/2008 8:45:43 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: thefactor
the chief is the face of the police. all this guy is doing is taking this situation and turning it into an argument for his issue: gun rights.

Do you support Ramsey's vehement anti gun positions and the way the Philly police harass legal gun owners?

15 posted on 09/13/2008 9:05:32 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: marktwain
Readers here in Ohio are familiar with this tactic: even after our 2007 firearms preemption law was passed some municipalities are still defiantly posting "no guns" on public transportation.

We have that same situation here in GA. In June governor Perdue signed a preemption bill into law that reserves the power to make all gun laws in the state to the General Assembly, and all laws enacted by a city or county government are invalid and are not enforceable.

But Atlanta's idiot mayor and the Atlanta Airport manager say they have authority to ban firearms from all airport property, including distant unlighted parking lots and and all areas inside the terminal building that are not covered by federal laws. He has threatened to arrest and prosecute anyone who brings a gun on airport property, including the General Assemblyman who wrote the new law and worked hard to get it passed.

GeorgiaPacking.org quickly filed a lawsuit against the mayor and the airport manager to force them to obey the new state law, but a very anti-gun urban area judge has postponed a hearing on the lawsuit until later this month and I fully expect him to postpone it again when that time comes. Surely he knows that he can't allow the local preempted laws to override state law, but he can drag out the lawsuit as long as possible so that the gun ban will remain in effect as long as possible.

IMHO the governor should station several GA state police officers at the airport and order them to arrest any airport authority cop who tries to enforce the old and invalidated local law, and then arrest the airport manager and mayor for ordering local cops to ignore state law and arrest people who are not breaking any valid law.

16 posted on 09/13/2008 9:59:29 PM PDT by epow ("Patriotic dissent is a luxury of those protected by better men than they.", Col. Jeff Cooper USMC)
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"We have been told to comply with the attackers instructions, don't confront them, don't take matters into your own hands, don't look them in the face or antagonize them in any way."

Isn't this the kind of mentality that made 9/11 possible. With the exception of one plane, the terrorist were able to execute their plan with flawless precision because the people sat by and did nothing. All because we've listened to this kind of rhetoric for so long, the idea of standing up and confronting evil is now a foreign concept to many of us.

17 posted on 09/14/2008 3:56:56 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: thefactor
he's not bashing cops ... he's bashing a police chief ... who is by definition a political whore ... a Philly political whore

There would be less police bashing if they did not act like a uniformed street gang with a code that prohibits speaking out about bad cops ... the policy just breeds more slugs and resentment

but us against them is part of a street gang mentality

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18 posted on 09/14/2008 4:44:51 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: marktwain

***Ultimately you are responsible for your own protection, you cannot count on others to help you. It is better to have a gun and not need it, than need a gun and not have one.***

This should be repeated every day, more than one time, by people with influence.


19 posted on 09/14/2008 7:07:17 AM PDT by wastedyears (Single dudes for hockey moms.)
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To: thefactor

Where do you work in NYC? It’ll be great to know I won’t be a lone Conservative in NYC.


20 posted on 09/14/2008 7:09:26 AM PDT by wastedyears (Single dudes for hockey moms.)
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