Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
Posted on 09/11/2008 10:57:32 PM PDT by joanie-f
“It is not. The Reagan pro-life platform which has been in place since 1984 recognizes the personhood of the unborn, and their protection by the Fourteenth Amendment.”
Yes it is REPUBLICAN ideology that wants STATES not the FEDERAL government to determine issues like this. Bush Sr. abandoned this or was it GWB. You cannot ASSUME the Republican platform will have a PRO LIFE plank. BTW did you know the platform CHANGES for the Republicans? We don't have the same one since Reagan. You sorely need to look at a Republican website that discusses this stuff. I'm quite sure that it was Geroge Bush SENIOR that allowed for abortion in the case of rape and incest. THAT CHANGED the platform from Reagan in regard to abortion. Look it up.
“A position McCain and Palin do not hold.”
PERSONALLY LIVES what she knows is right - don't kill your baby!
“The fact that you didn't kill you baby is not a pro-life credential. If it were you would have to consider Hillary Clinton “pro-life” because she didn't kill Chelsea.”
Stop it already!
Sarah Palin had the IMMEDIATE choice of killing Trig while he was in her womb. He was “defective” according to abortionists. Unlike Hitlery, Chelsea was not considered “defective” - there is absolutely no comparison. Sarah had an “excuse” to terminate the pregnancy. Hitelery wouldn’t have - accept if she simply didn't want that. At least use LOGICAL comparisons.
Hitlery makes no bones about it. She verbally ENDORSES ABORTION. Sarah Palin is VERBALLY AGAINST abortion and LIVES what she believes. Sarah has stated she is AGAINST abortion.
“You don't realize it, but you're making a pro-”choice” argument, not a pro-life one. “
No, YOU are.
You still don't understand Republican CORE ideology.
Republicans want decisions at the STATE level. They want to respect STATES RIGHTS.
Demoncrats want decisions made at the FEDERAL LEVEL to trample STATES RIGHTS.
It's AWLAYS BEEN THIS WAY.
Maybe you’re not a Republican - that's okay but understand some of the differences between Republican ideology and Democrat ideology and what a political platform and plank is. That might help clear up your confusion.
Again, as a Republican I have now moved the issue of abortion to the FEDERAL LEVEL. I no longer have confidence for STATES to make the proper ruling on this. I want ABORTION BANNED at the FEDERAL LEVEL so NO STATE can offer LEGAL ABORTIONS. I find the issue of the unborn and those about to be born that important.
The emperor is naked. Sarah Palin, by advocating a position that puts state prerogatives ahead of the unalienable right to life, has proven not to be pro-life, in fact. Just exactly like John McCain, who, by the way, is the one running for President of the United States.
You are very confused.
If they’re protected by the Fourteenth Amendment, as the Republican platform asserts, they are protected on every square inch of American territory. Why can’t you understand this simple fact? Even “Justice” Blackmun, the author of Roe, understood this.
>IOW, lay the blame right here. It is FreeRepublic, and places like it, that are supposed to require much of our own- If we do not, no one will.
But then, it is so much easier to attack the other side, and falsely inflate our own...<
Here I was thinking I was the only one saying, “Look in the mirror first.”
VERY CONFUSED.
“If they’re protected by the Fourteenth Amendment, as the Republican platform asserts, they are protected on every square inch of American territory. Why can’t you understand this simple fact? Even “Justice” Blackmun, the author of Roe, understood this.”
The Republican platform changed under George Bush SENIOR.
George Bush SENIOR allowed for abortion in the situation of rape and incest. Why do you keep IGNORING THAT?
I really don't understand your “logic” ... which isn't logical to say the least ... .
If you really believe the 14th Amendment protects human life than WHY was the outcome of ROE/WADE to ALLOW abortion?
You get it coming and going. A persons’ THOUGHTS on this are fine but the LAW is that ABORTION IS LEGAL when it NEVER should have been made LEGAL. You need to also explain about why Bush SENIOR allowed for abortion in his platform. You have things all jumbled up and confused.
Find a good Republican website.
Read what core Republican ideology is.
Look up what a Republican platform and plank is.
Look up what George BUSH SENIOR did on abortion.
Look up Roe/Wade.
Look up what the 14th Amendment IS and WHAT it means.
Maybe you'll have answered your own questions.
I don't have time for you circular logic and changing subjects when you're being cornered as WRONG.
Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
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Agreed.
Keep up the good work, narses!
Yawn. Go take a basic civics course. Try layering on political science and basic logic. Semantics would be good too. Then come back and try again. That you can even try to claim that the most pro-life ticket the GOP has ever had is pro-abortion shows a serious derangement of fact and fiction in your synaptic process. Get help.
Thank you. The issue has NEVER BEEN MORE CLEAR. The choices have NEVER BEEN more stark.
Would those of you whom I would describe as ‘purists’ prefer to elect (in this election cycle, in which there are now only two viable candidates):
(1) A President who will not necessarily seek to appoint judges who will outlaw abortion, and who wants judges who will allow the voters of each state to set their own abortion policy.
(2) A President who will appoint judges who will not allow the voters to decide to ban any type of abortion, including partial birth abortion – who voted NO on prohibiting minors to cross state lines for abortions, who voted NO on notifying parents of such abortions, and who voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive.
To my mind, (2) represents a wickedness that is not definable or comprehensible.
The bottom line is that this election may prove to be the most watershed election in our history – stacking the Court with life-term judges who will determine the nature of the abortion issue for decades to come.
In spite of your fervent desire to support the innocent unborn, and your crusade to see to it that we have leadership that shares your passion in that regard, YOU ARE GOING TO GET ONE OR THE OTHER – (1) or (2). By refusing to support (1) your are ensuring (2), and by doing so you are most certainly not doing any favors for millions of future innocent murder victims. In fact, you are ensuring a dramatic increase in their numbers.
~ joanie
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Never.
The recognition of this great truth goes all the way back to Plato....
Horatio Bunce is a striking example of responsible citizenship. Were his kind to multiply, we would see many new faces in public office....
joanie-f, thank you so very much for the link to "Not Yours to Give." I'd never seen this account from Davy Crockett before. It's simply outstanding, and I hope anyone reading these lines will take the opportunity to read it as well. We need more Horatio Bunces these days, to put it mildly.
"Enforced" charity isn't charity at all. Your paraphrase of Obama's remarks at the Columbia "service summit" — "In an Obama administration I will see to it that citizens perform extensive community service, in co-operation with their government" — ominously indicates that the sort of public "charity" Obama has in mind is virtually indistinguishable from public slavery. It would entail a virtually limitless projection of government power against the people.
How much do you want to bet that, under an Obama administration, all genuinely private charities would be repressed, and especially the likes of e.g., the faith-based Salvation Army and Catholic Charities, et al? Because (1) they are religiously-affiliated charities; and (2) they'd be "rivals" of the (secularist/atheist) government-enforced programs, and therefore must be eliminated, perhaps on the excuse that they represent a "duplication of services and thus need to be coordinated with the government to assure maximum efficiencies."
Truly, America would become a "brave new world" under an Obama administration. And the Constitution would be sacrificed to the overweening lust for power that characterizes the self-selected "elites" who arrogantly assume that the American people are unfit to govern themselves, and so they will tell us how we are to be governed. They will rule; and we must submit. With the Constitution gone, the pernicious "rule of men" would extinguish our free society.
Obama is their Trojan Horse....
Wake up America!!!
Thank you so much for your beautiful essay/post dear fellow patriot and sister in Christ!
“To my mind, (2) represents a wickedness that is not definable or comprehensible.”
I can define it. It is Satanic. Aulinsky dedicated his tome to Lucifer. The Luciferian elements in our society want to put each of us outside the pale of God’s love. They believe killing babies does that.
>That requires taking back the government and gradually rebuilding the culture—a matter of decades, not months.<
What would result from removing all nudity and filthy language from TV. If your screen showed the American flag when you first turned on the TV would people still watch TV?
If we had some states allowing it and other states not to allowing it, the number would certainly decrease. Not everyone will travel 1000 miles to murder a baby.
Why don't you link us to that, if you're so sure?
McCAIN [to Bush]: Do you believe in the exemption, in the case of abortion, for rape, incest, and life of the mother?
BUSH: Yeah, I do.
McCain: [But you] support the pro-life plank [in the Republican Party platform]?
BUSH: I do.
McCAIN: So, in other words, your position is that you believe there’s an exemption for rape, incest and the life of the mother, but you want the platform that you’re supposed to be leading to have no exemption. Help me out there, will you?
BUSH: I will. The platform doesn’t talk about what specifically should be in the constitutional amendment. The platform speaks about a constitutional amendment. It doesn’t refer to how that constitutional amendment ought to be defined.
McCAIN: If you read the platform, it has no exceptions.
BUSH: John, I think we need to keep the platform the way it is. This is a pro-life party.
McCAIN: Then you are contradicting your platform.
Source: GOP Debate on the Larry King Show Feb 15, 2000
Now, who are you going to vote for this election?
So, in other words, you've joined the camp of those who blame those who won't compromise foundational principle for the inevitable outcome of their own compromises.
Joanie, you don't get representatives who will represent your principles by supporting those who despise your principles. This is so basic that I'm frankly shocked that you've allowed yourself to go down this illogical path.
The only reason that the pro-life movement can't stop abortion is because self-proclaimed pro-lifers continue to fall for this scam which, in the final and most important pass, finds them exerting their electoral energy and franchise on behalf of the other side.
We don't even need a moral majority to turn this around. All we need is a moral plurality that won't compromise.
If all pro-lifers would unequivocally take this stand, the politicians would turn around so quickly it would make your head spin.
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