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Tax breaks to move American jobs overseas?

Posted on 09/10/2008 6:43:15 AM PDT by reaganator

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To: kabar
We can lower corporate taxes, but will American businesses hire Americans or more illegals?

This will always be an issue as long as the world continues to get smaller and other market are more accessible. Once the major economies come into balance products will need to be manufactured closer to their markets. My problem is our economy may be dropping to meet the rise of others and we are fooling ourselves to think otherwise with the use of massive borrowing or debt.

41 posted on 09/10/2008 9:00:55 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Realism
My problem is our economy may be dropping to meet the rise of others and we are fooling ourselves to think otherwise with the use of massive borrowing or debt.

Just as the textile industy moved first from NE, then to the South, and finally overseas, businesses move to where labor costs are lowest, depending upon the industry. Our economy is shifting to a service economy, which can't be located overseas as easily, although the internet and cheap telecommunications are making it more and more possible. Immigration, legal and illegal, is depressing wages at the lower end of the wage scale, which is causing a greater disparity in terms of the wealth gap. This squeezes the middle class and pushes us further into the profile of a third world country.

Immigration’s Impact on American Workers

42 posted on 09/10/2008 9:11:13 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: kabar

Anything done according to racial lines is racism, no matter what person or what government does this. Racism is wrong. Get it? Opinions are not just opinions, opinions or either right or they are wrong.

By every measure, all standards for minorities were improving before the government started “helping” them in 1964. Since then, every negative aspect for minorities has risen and every positive aspect for minorities as fallen.

The war on poverty has been in a quagmire for over 40 years. Is there, or was there every an exit strategy for the war on poverty?

Finally, if you want someone to receive help, go help them. Why get the government involved in an unconstitutional manner?


43 posted on 09/10/2008 10:57:01 AM PDT by reaganator
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To: kabar

People who are unemployed are working for cash under the table. The unemployment rate is the highest in 5 years because Congress extended unemployment benefits. The Democrats wanted the unemployment rate to rise so they could show how terrible the economy is with Republicans in the White House. This is different than the election year of 2000 when the slowing economy was actually hidden from the public in order to not hamper VP Gore’s election chances.

If you want more of something, have the government subsidize it. If you want less of something, have the government tax it. So.... the government subsidizes not working and remaining poor and the government taxes working and businesses. okay


44 posted on 09/10/2008 11:03:49 AM PDT by reaganator
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To: reaganator
Anything done according to racial lines is racism, no matter what person or what government does this. Racism is wrong. Get it? Opinions are not just opinions, opinions or either right or they are wrong.

Get off your moral high horse. I never said racism was right. You are creating a phony strawman.

By every measure, all standards for minorities were improving before the government started “helping” them in 1964. Since then, every negative aspect for minorities has risen and every positive aspect for minorities as fallen.

So? What's your point beyond stating the obvious? I am not advocating affirmative action programs or racial preferences. I am saying that they exist.

The war on poverty has been in a quagmire for over 40 years. Is there, or was there every an exit strategy for the war on poverty? Finally, if you want someone to receive help, go help them. Why get the government involved in an unconstitutional manner?

You are preaching to the choir. However, the fact remains that minorities [as classified by the USG] are well on their way to becoming majorities. By 2023 half of the children under 18 will be minorities and by 2042 half of the US population will be minorities, primarily due to immigration, legal and illegal. If blacks and Hispanics continue to follow the current social patterns of high rates out of wedlock births and school dropouts then this nation will be in very bad shape. It can't be ignored or dismissed.

45 posted on 09/10/2008 11:10:04 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: Realism
“You have to ask yourself why would an employer knowingly break the law by hiring illegals? What in it for them?”

They don't pay payroll taxes and comp insurance and pay in cash thereby making a huge profit and cutting the competitions throat, at least that’s how it's done in construction.

46 posted on 09/10/2008 11:40:31 AM PDT by dalereed (both)
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To: reaganator

bmflr


47 posted on 09/10/2008 1:45:10 PM PDT by Kevmo (Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery. http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles)
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To: kabar

okay, I assure you I am taking in your points.

I find your reply that the black unemployment rate is 1O.7% irrelevant unless you are saying that the reason that the percentage of black unemployment is higher than the general unemployment rate is simply because they are black.

Since blacks are a minority of the population (17%? I don’t know)then even since the “white unemployment rate” is lower than the “black unemployment rate” there are many more whites unemployed than blacks.

The seperate race talk statistics is just nonsense anyway. There’s only one race, the human race.


48 posted on 09/10/2008 2:41:18 PM PDT by reaganator
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To: Redbob

Ahem....My Canadian Governess’s name is Jennifer Grandtheft.


49 posted on 09/10/2008 3:20:33 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: kabar

http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.mi_detroit_md.htm


50 posted on 09/10/2008 3:29:18 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: reaganator
I find your reply that the black unemployment rate is 1O.7% irrelevant unless you are saying that the reason that the percentage of black unemployment is higher than the general unemployment rate is simply because they are black.

Although this Obama guy likes to proclaim himself as the post racial candidate, he often pulls the race card when it is convenient. He also is an open borders, pro-amnesty guy. Yet, those hurt worse than anyone else by his immigration policy are blacks who are being displaced by illegals and/or have wages depressed.

Why is the black unemployment rate higher than the general average? Lack of education, poverty, and coming from a single parent households are the primary reasons why. The same holds true for Hispanics who have an unemployment rate of 8.7% vs the current 6.1% overarll average.

Since blacks are a minority of the population (17%? I don’t know)then even since the “white unemployment rate” is lower than the “black unemployment rate” there are many more whites unemployed than blacks.

Blacks are about 13% of the population. Yes, in terms of total numbers, whites make up more of the unemployed. The problem with the disproportionate representation of blacks and hispanics on the unemployment rolls is that we are building a permanent underclass given the fact that they are also having disproportionate rates of out of wedlock births and school dropouts.

And their birthrates are also higher than the general average. The Hispanic birthrate is twice as high as that of the rest of the American population. that of black women, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Every 1,000 unmarried Hispanic women bore 92 children in 2003 (the latest year for which data exist), compared with 28 children for every 1,000 unmarried white women, 22 for every 1,000 unmarried Asian women, and 66 for every 1,000 unmarried black women. Forty-five percent of all Hispanic births occur outside of marriage, compared with 24 percent of white births and 15 percent of Asian births. Only the percentage of black out-of-wedlock births—68 percent—exceeds the Hispanic rate. But the black population is not going to triple over the next few decadesBy 2050 one in three residents of this country will be Hispanic, up from the current 15% today and 1% in 1970.

The seperate race talk statistics is just nonsense anyway. There’s only one race, the human race.

Happy talk. The reality is much different as we can plainly see whether it is in politics, in our schools, or in our living patterns. We are becoming more and more Balkanized along cultural, linguistic, ethnic, and racial lines. I am more concerned about our national identity and how we can continue to survive given the rapid changes in demographics and a population that will be nearing half a billion in 50 years. By 2050, non-hispanic whites will be 46% of the population, a marked change from just 85 years ago when they were 89% of the population. Do you think that race and ethnicity will matter less in 50 years?

51 posted on 09/10/2008 4:00:38 PM PDT by kabar (.)
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Race counters are a major contributing factor in the Balkanization to which you refer.

Blacks are proportionally misrepresented in prisons? Why? Not because the blacks in prison are black but because they are criminals. Blacks are disporportionately criminals. That is the fault of the criminals! Let’s commit a racially motivated act and count them! Do we count the criminals with one black parent and one white parent?

A instance here in my hometown. Names of convicted drug dealers currently serving time in prison were put on a prominent billboard, just names, no pictures. A man (race counter) wrote a letter to the editor outraged that there were more names of black drug dealers than white drug dealers. He was serious!

My question to him over the phone was, “How would a person know what race a drug dealer was just by reading his/her name on a billboard.”

race counters


52 posted on 09/11/2008 8:11:23 AM PDT by reaganator
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The biggest "race counter" of all is the US Government followed closely by the politicians and the MSM. Every census, every poll, etc. uses race and ethnicity. So do the colleges, corporations, and other organizations.

Race counters are just the symptoms of the problem, not the cause. Why do we have Black and Hispanic caucuses?

53 posted on 09/11/2008 8:20:29 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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