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Teacher-student sex not a felony, union says
The Daily World (Aberdeen WA) ^ | 9/5/08 | Steven Friederich

Posted on 09/05/2008 1:14:06 PM PDT by llevrok

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I did not have sex with THAT woman, Miss Lawin........
1 posted on 09/05/2008 1:17:00 PM PDT by llevrok
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If they’re over 18 it isn’t really a crime is it? It’s just grounds for losing your teaching certification I imagine.


2 posted on 09/05/2008 1:18:17 PM PDT by Borges
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Wow, I actually agree with a union.

They are 18. Fire them, yes. Felony? No way.


3 posted on 09/05/2008 1:19:48 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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Rather than simply redefine the word “minor”, the statute should be rewritten, and the degree of the penalty should remain.


4 posted on 09/05/2008 1:20:24 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("[Gov. Sarah Palin] is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger." -- Gloria Steinem)
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To: llevrok

Wonder what Mr. Wood thinks of his daughters little fling with Marivn the Metal Shop teacher...or his son for that matter


5 posted on 09/05/2008 1:20:40 PM PDT by BubbaJunebug
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it’s the position of authority that’s the problem, moreso
than the age.

gubermint unions suck.


6 posted on 09/05/2008 1:21:12 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (Conservatives are to McCain what Charlie Brown is to Lucy.)
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“Trust your daughter to our public school. We promise she’ll be safe right up to her 18th birthday.”


7 posted on 09/05/2008 1:21:45 PM PDT by farmer18th (Iraqi Nation Building GWB-Style: "No law that contradicts.. Islam may be established")
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She didn’t cry rape, so is there a victim here? Looks to me like a perve and a hussy.


8 posted on 09/05/2008 1:24:35 PM PDT by DonaldC
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To: llevrok
Then treat it as workplace harrassment instead, as it creates a hostile work environment for other teachers whom others may also think are sleeping with students, and other students who think the only way to get better grades is to sleep with teachers.

-PJ

9 posted on 09/05/2008 1:27:01 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (You can never over-estimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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I’m an English teacher on my lunch break. Reading this story just about made me upchuck my soup. Teachers should always have professional distance between themselves and their students... and if the law wants to make sex between students and teachers a felony, that’s fine with me, since it’s demonstrably unethical and immoral. Lots of unethical and immoral behavior is illegal and felonious.

There’s a reason why we need to privatize schools and kill the NEA. This article outlines one of the reasons. I can’t even believe anyone would come to this guy’s defense, let alone ask for a change in the law.

This is the kind of stuff that makes the rest of us teachers look awful. I offer a gob of spit hurled in the direction of the Washington Education Association.


10 posted on 09/05/2008 1:27:05 PM PDT by redpoll
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If they’re over 18 it isn’t really a crime is it? It’s just grounds for losing your teaching certification I imagine.

No, it's a crime, because the teacher broke an actual law. The union has appealed the conviction on the grounds that the law, as written, is wrong. "Hill questioned the state law, which says, in part, that a person is guilty of first-degree sexual misconduct with a minor if 'the person is a school employee who has ... sexual intercourse with a registered student of the school who is at least 16 years old and not married to the employee ...'”

Seems to me that a rational court would reject the appeal: the law as written is unambiguous, and probably constitutional.

What the union is really trying to do, is get the courts to (once again) legislate from the bench. They know that no sane legislator would be caught dead trying to repeal this law in public....

11 posted on 09/05/2008 1:27:06 PM PDT by r9etb
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Well, that should help with job recruiting.


12 posted on 09/05/2008 1:27:16 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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A red-letter day in history: for the first time, a teachers' union is right about something.

P.S. I think an application of Lawrence vs. Texas would render this law null.

13 posted on 09/05/2008 1:28:04 PM PDT by Sloth (A domestic enemy of the Constitution will become POTUS on January 20, 2009.)
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As a teacher you’re in a position of public trust , therefore sex with any student is a crime.


14 posted on 09/05/2008 1:28:53 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: Borges
If they’re over 18 it isn’t really a crime is it? It’s just grounds for losing your teaching certification I imagine.

In many states it is a crime for a teacher to have sex with a student, even if the student is 18. Considering that teachers have unique access to students and are expected to act in loco parentis, in a parental role, many people consider this particular abuse of a teaching position to be an action that merits prosecution as a felony. As a teacher, I agree with those who want it to be illegal and not just grounds for firing.

You're going to send your daughter to school for close to 200 days a year, where her future depends on what we teach her and even what we write about her in letters of recommendation, and your tax dollars are going to pay for us to perform those duties whether you like it or not. Is it too much to ask that all teachers keep their hands to themselves when they teach?

15 posted on 09/05/2008 1:29:04 PM PDT by RogerD (Educaiton Profesionul)
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I didn’t even read the case. The idea of removing the treason status from high-school teacher to student sex is, on its face, absurd.


16 posted on 09/05/2008 1:29:06 PM PDT by farmer18th (Iraqi Nation Building GWB-Style: "No law that contradicts.. Islam may be established")
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To: llevrok

No responsibilty, no accountability
The teachers union has become a criminal enterprise in it’s own right.
Support the liberal cause and they will make sure your kids are kept uneducated and indoctrinated.
Our schools have become mental health, family therapy and sex education centers.


17 posted on 09/05/2008 1:29:16 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (IF YOU ARE NOT CONSERVATIVE BY 35 YOU HAVE NO BRAIN. W CHURCHILL)
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I agree with them. It should be a fireable offense but having sex with a legal adult should not be a felony.


18 posted on 09/05/2008 1:35:01 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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They are 18. Fire them, yes. Felony? No way.

Exactly what should happen. If they're over 18, it's a matter of (un)professional conduct and should be handled by the employer. It's not a matter for the court.
19 posted on 09/05/2008 1:36:01 PM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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” The Washington Education Association decided to file its amicus curae brief “because the decision could affect our 81,000 members,” according to Wood. “

How sick is a teacher’s union that is worried they have a lot of teachers having sex with students, that this might put a crimp in their sexual conquests of young people.

Sick ba$tards think the kids are their own personal sexual cafeteria.

I think we need to start stringing up the male and female teachers molesting kids like they would have done in the good ol’ days to sexual perverts. Then run them out of town on a damn rail.

You leave your stinking, damn hands off the kids in the school. They aren’t your little sex pool, perverts.


20 posted on 09/05/2008 1:42:44 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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