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Undocumented Immigrants Closer to Getting Driver's Licenses[California]
KMPH ^ | 31 Aug 2008 | Dani Carlson and Kyra Jenkins

Posted on 08/31/2008 3:35:07 PM PDT by BGHater

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To: BGHater
Any chance this will be brought up in the debates? I would love to know Obama’s and McCain’s Views on this.

Oh yeah, that'll happen. LOL

I know who I would like to see ask the question. The mother who was serving in Iraq while her son was murdered by an illegal here where it's safe in the homeland.
21 posted on 08/31/2008 3:53:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting Conservative isn't for the faint of heart.)
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To: BGHater
OK, so I can see possibilities with this law if it is used right.

For example, on the night before the law goes into effect, quietly move ICE vans into a nearby area where they can't be seen, and do this at every DMV.

Next morning have a designated line/window for illegals to apply, and when they get in line, take them out to the waiting vans and take them back to their beloved country!

(Tongue-in-cheek, y’know, but it stopped me from swearing.)

See-this is what makes it seem like an Alice-in-Wonderland” world.

Law breakers walk into a department of state law enforcement. The employee is informed that the person has violated immigration laws, and thus has the obligation to have the person arrested!! But instead the person is given special privileges through a license to drive.

I need a drink...

22 posted on 08/31/2008 3:54:39 PM PDT by Rhetorical pi2
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To: BGHater
"The reality is most people are going to drive whether they have a license or not because they need to work, the system is broken by not giving drivers licenses," said Camille Cook.

Cook is an immigration attorney. She pointed out there is another benefit to the bill, which is identifying the undocumented.

"It's better to know who they are," said Cook. "If they don't have licenses we have no idea who they are if they're not in the system."

The system is *not* broken; all the illegals need do is keep their old (legal) drivers license and pair it with an International Drivers License. It's inexpensive and easy - and this attorney knows it. Her second point, "identifying the undocumented" is disingenuous at best - again, with an IDL, they're documented and in the system.

Of course, all of this presumes that they have been issued a drivers license in their home country. I suspect that is often not the case.

23 posted on 08/31/2008 3:55:57 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Rhetorical pi2

Sounds like the State is breaking the law.

“Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.”

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.
http://www.fairus.org/html/04176912.htm


24 posted on 08/31/2008 3:56:51 PM PDT by BGHater (Democracy is the road to socialism.)
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To: BGHater; calcowgirl; B4Ranch; AuntB; Issaquahking; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; tubebender; ...

Scoff-law Ping!!!


25 posted on 08/31/2008 3:59:51 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not against the environment, just GovernMental EnvironMentalism!!! (our new state religion))
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To: BGHater

“As the legislature, it’s our job to make the roadways safe,”

Is there a study somewhere that these illegals are causing deaths and accidents in California highways?

In that case, the solution would be stricter enforcement of road laws, including getting these illegal drivers off the street.


26 posted on 08/31/2008 4:03:14 PM PDT by Ben Reyes (Don't Blame Me...I voted for McClintock)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

John & Ken will save the day!


27 posted on 08/31/2008 4:03:16 PM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: muawiyah

re: “You have to have an immigration visa to be an immigrant!”

Not true. There was no such thing as illegal “immigrant” until the late 1920s. Most of our ancestors arrived here with no visa, no official papers of any kind. For most of our history, our immigration law has been very clear:

It was illegal for indigents, prostitutes, thieves, and other “undesireables” to enter the USA, with or without official papers. Any person who entered was presumed innocent until suspected otherwise. Up until about 1971 local law enforcement had the ability to deport any non-citizen he thought undesireable without any proof. The burden of proof was on the accused to then prove he shouldn’t be deported. About 1971 Nixon’s INS-DOJ took that power away from local law enforcement and centralize it exclusively in the Federal government. Democrat Mayor Daley fought that centralization of power by Nixon and lost in Federal Appeals Court. The result was a Federal Court order that legitimized the centralization of power.

That centralization was the big mistake. Above all else, we need to empower local law enforcement to deport the undesireables as they did in the past. When big government does not work, the solution is not an even bigger government.


28 posted on 08/31/2008 4:04:32 PM PDT by spintreebob (.)
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To: BGHater
Can we Americans possibly be this stupid? Is there really that many people that hate America?
29 posted on 08/31/2008 4:09:08 PM PDT by devane617 (Fish died on his Harley when he hit a camel at dusk.)
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To: devane617

is = are


30 posted on 08/31/2008 4:10:03 PM PDT by devane617 (Fish died on his Harley when he hit a camel at dusk.)
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To: BGHater
The Democrats seem to forget Californians repealed a bill giving illegals drivers' licenses. Every year, they've been back at it!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

31 posted on 08/31/2008 4:10:53 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: BGHater
I would support Drivers Licenses for undocumented workers if they were stamped illegal and the records available to ICE.
32 posted on 08/31/2008 4:15:23 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (There is a line fine between multi-tasking and attention deficit disorder and I)
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To: freekitty
According to Cedillo's bill, about two million undocumented immigrants would be expected to apply for a driver's license within 18 months of it the law takes effect

Let's see 18,000,000 times $20 buck ea. Follow the money

33 posted on 08/31/2008 4:20:32 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Election '08, the year McCain defined the word "dilemma")
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To: BGHater

Gil Cedillo is the sponsor? That tells me all I need to know about this bill. Cedillo is quite a vocal ally of illegals (from Mexico and Central America, anyway: if the vast majority of illegals were from Scandinavia instead of Mexico he would be demanding immediate deportations at the very least). Cedillo is the guy who promised to watch the Trojan Horse at night so the city could get some sleep, only to assist the invaders as they climbed out.


34 posted on 08/31/2008 4:28:37 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Yaelle

“Illegal immigration is killing us.”

Which seems to be just fine with Gil Cedillo.


35 posted on 08/31/2008 4:31:14 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“This isn’t about immigrants, it’s about highway safety,” said Cedillo.

Lying bass turd. It’s NOT about highway safety. People with licenses crash everyday. THIS IS ABOUT MOTOR VOTER AND YOU KNOW IT PUNK!

HMMMM, maybe California internal polling data has McCain/Palin closing the gap?

Hey, one can wish, huh?


36 posted on 08/31/2008 4:34:52 PM PDT by jamndad5 ("I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.")
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To: BGHater

This is, I think, the 3rd time Cedillo has tried to get this POS bill through. Arnie vetoed it the last time. He better veto it again, or his political future is over.


37 posted on 08/31/2008 4:57:32 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Once they get this done, the next step is to “fight” to get illegal aliens Social Security Account Numbers so they won’t have to “live in the shadows.”

Yep... and expand the database to have national I.D.s for everyone.

Liberals make me sick.

38 posted on 08/31/2008 5:06:18 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: BGHater
"I think they should be able to get licenses just like everybody else," said Nicole Holland, a Fresnan who supports the bill.

I think the burglar who broke into your house should be able to sit at your dinner table, watch your TV, and sleep in your guest room just like everybody else who comes to your house, Nicole.

39 posted on 08/31/2008 5:45:52 PM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: al baby
I am trying to be positive, but, it will be increasingly difficult in my opinion for Free Republic, IMHO, to take issue with these illegal alien travesties and ideas.

And this from a strong contributor to threads and posts on the topic of Aliens and Immigration here.

To oppose what the Libs and RINOs want for American with respect to those here illegally.

Increasingly difficult.


40 posted on 08/31/2008 5:49:06 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Writing in "PALIN FOR PRESIDENT 2008!!!" You Go Girl. That RINO McCain gets nowhere near my vote)
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