Posted on 08/26/2008 6:04:13 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
pat is a nutcase
Unfortunately isolationism for the US isn’t in the cards, so we have to counter Russia or run up the white flag. In other words, use it or lose it. (Power, that is.)
What if Russia puts tanks on the border of Estonia? What if Russia rolls on Estonia, what will happen then?
I’ll tell you exactly what will happen. Buchanan will publish an op-ed defending it. Thats what will happen.
He asks all the right questions but comes to all the wrong conclusions.
Right where they are, and then some.
Stopped reading after that.
Why post crap like this?
Useless waste of bandwidth, you give legs to the POS author's intent.......
It's crap, nothing more.
"If we bring Ukraine into NATO, what do we do if Russified east Ukraine secedes and Russia sends troops to back the rebels? Do we send warships into Russia's bathtub, the Black Sea, and commit to fight as long as it takes to restore Ukraine's territorial integrity?"
Pat better go back and read some more history before writing drivel like this.
They are going to export those missiles to Iran and Syria anyway. Our actions aren't affecting that.
If the United States intends to bring Georgia and Ukraine into NATO and arm them to fight Russia, why should Russia not dissolve the Treaty on Conventional Forces in Europe and move her tank armies into Belarus and up to the borders of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania?
Russia has already dissolved that treaty. As for tanks in Belarus, they only have one modern tank army and it's in Georgia. We will be seeing it in Europe soon though.
Our intentions in arming and training the Georgians has been to enable them to govern their country and protect their borders. The Georgian army has not been trained or equipped for offensive action - as indicated by recent events.
I saw that earlier today. That url needs to be tattooed onto the forehead of every Russo-Serb relativist/apologist on this forum.
Those are tough questions. The solution is not to cower in the bathtub as Pat suggests.
Neither is McCain’s “BOMB THEM!! KILL! KILL! KILL!” brinksmanship.
Is Buchanan now working for Gazprom?
Haven’t seen that . . . got a link?
No, but nearly the same place, and for the same reasons—MSNBC.
Good questions, but Pat asks them with the intent that we do nothing.
Its obvious to me that we can’t directly defend eastern Europe. But its just as obvious that if they are looking to defend themselves we can have a role in that. We aren’t going to base 250,000 American troops in Ukraine the way we did in West Germany, and we aren’t going to threaten nuclear war over them.
But we have every right to do business with them, and if they want to modernize and build an effective force, we can help them do that. Bringing them into NATO isn’t going to guarantee them the security that we offered Germany. Face it, the old NATO is dead.
If Ukraine and Poland and the Baltics want to defend themselves, they are going to have to build a military capable of doing the job against a superior force. That means high-tech, high-speed, a serious force that is designed to fight and not merely for internal crowd control. And they are going to have to form an alliance-within-an-alliance, that an attack on one is an attack on all. If they will do that, Russia might think twice. If they can’t or won’t do that, they will have to depend upon appeals to world opinion, and good luck with that.
We won’t put soldiers into that battleground. They’ll have to defend themselves. But between now and then we can help these countries that clearly want to be a part of the West. We shouldn’t be embarrassed of that role.
In Buchanan’s world free people should be enslaved just because the neighborhood bully wants his due.
Pat Buchanan probably knows all the verses to “Das Horst Wessel Lied”.
Listen on youtube. Then read the comments. Even more chilling than the words.
Pat’s off the deep end. Digs double eagle flags. Thinks Vlad the Putin is terribly misunderstood.
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