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Obama/Biden: Escalating the War on Fathers and Families
Men's News Daily ^ | 2008-08-24 | Gordon E. Finley, Ph.D.

Posted on 08/24/2008 1:45:30 PM PDT by buccaneer81

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To: buccaneer81
It's truly disgusting that there is such a lack of respect. And some men have just allowed it.

My pastor is doing a series of sermons on the man is the head of the house and his wife is his helper and equal but with different gifts. It's been a great series. We've even talked of TV shows that twist what life should be. And feminism was mentioned too. So many things have hurt the concept of "family".

21 posted on 08/24/2008 2:39:28 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW ("Make yourself sheep, and the wolves will eat you" Benjamin Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW
And some men have just allowed it.

Two big reasons that I can see;

1)For some men, there's money to be made by doing it.

2)For a lot of men, it's bend over and take it at home because they don't want to lose their children, home and paycheck.

22 posted on 08/24/2008 3:15:14 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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23 posted on 08/24/2008 3:20:23 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: buccaneer81

Number 2 is a good reason to be careful who you marry. If she’s demanding and pouty BEFORE the wedding, run. Wives are to help husbands and not to control them. That doesn’t mean that wives shouldn’t give opinions but it’s to be in the form of loving advice. I’ve learned he’s more likely to listen if he knows that I love and respect him.


24 posted on 08/24/2008 3:21:51 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW ("Make yourself sheep, and the wolves will eat you" Benjamin Franklin)
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To: buccaneer81
Agreed, but that's only part of the story. Some support orders are ridiculously high, and a job loss can put a father behind real quick. But many men want at least 50/50 custody, and that is almost always ignored. And the jailing of innocent men based on lies is a national scandal. The biggest losers, in the end, are the kids. I agree with that. Some are ridiculously high, for sure, and job losses can mess things up. But I think you know who I'm talking about. I'm not talking about dads who try hard and fail. I'm talking about guys who knock girls up and then leave when the kid is an infant or even before it's born, paying no child support and paying no interest to the kid's life, either. Those are the scumbags I'm talking about. I can differentiate between financially falling on hard times but making an effort and just not giving a crap.
25 posted on 08/24/2008 3:22:19 PM PDT by LiberalsSpendYourMoney (Liberalism is a tax on humanity)
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To: bert

We 99% tolerate fundie Mormon polygamy. If the pervs would just stick to adult women, they’d be left strictly alone. If fact, we subsidize their polygamy through numerous government programs they’re allowed to take advantage of.

Given the pretty well proven penchant of many cohabs for ephobilia and child abuse, not to mention throwing away of the young boys before they can become competition, I’m not sure having Dad around is always an improvement.

Black urban society illegitimacy is also subsidized heavily by the larger society. I’m not sure how we’re supposed to stop the toleration of baby-daddies who take off.

Force them to live with the mother of their child?

Forcibly sterilize the mother, or the father for that matter, so they stop bringing new bastards into the world?

What would your enforcement mechanism be?


26 posted on 08/24/2008 3:32:29 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (qui)
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We 99% tolerate fundie Mormon polygamy. If the pervs would just stick to adult women, they’d be left strictly alone. If fact, we subsidize their polygamy through numerous government programs they’re allowed to take advantage of.

Given the pretty well proven penchant of many cohabs for ephobilia and child abuse, not to mention throwing away of the young boys before they can become competition, I’m not sure having Dad around is always an improvement.

Black urban society illegitimacy is also subsidized heavily by the larger society. I’m not sure how we’re supposed to stop the toleration of baby-daddies who take off.

Force them to live with the mother of their child?

Forcibly sterilize the mother, or the father for that matter, so they stop bringing new bastards into the world?

What would your enforcement mechanism be?


27 posted on 08/24/2008 3:32:36 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (qui)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney
But I think you know who I'm talking about. I'm not talking about dads who try hard and fail. I'm talking about guys who knock girls up and then leave when the kid is an infant or even before it's born, paying no child support and paying no interest to the kid's life, either. Those are the scumbags I'm talking about. I can differentiate between financially falling on hard times but making an effort and just not giving a crap.

Agree 100%. In today's climate guys like me are lumped in with the scumbags. Politicians refuse to acknowledge the dads who are involved or trying to be involved and who pay their often outrageous child support.

28 posted on 08/24/2008 3:35:46 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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If she’s demanding and pouty BEFORE the wedding, run.

I know that now. I was young and stupid. She was as high maintenance as an Italian car.

I found the complete opposite in my second wife, and life is good.

29 posted on 08/24/2008 3:40:13 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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I agree 100%. The matriomonial courts are biased against men in divorce proceedings and this should change. I’m pretty sure it’s not how Obama meant the statement, although maybe I’m wrong. He’s mentioned on other occasions about how more black men need to step up and be responsible for their children, and I have a feeling he’s not talking about the men who are making an effort. He’s talking about the ones I just mentioned- the scumbags.


30 posted on 08/24/2008 3:43:32 PM PDT by LiberalsSpendYourMoney (Liberalism is a tax on humanity)
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Congratulations on getting it right. Hubby and I have some hard years.......then we grewup. Feminism has done a great deal to damage men and women. Dan Quayle was right about Murphy Brown.


31 posted on 08/24/2008 3:53:35 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW ("Make yourself sheep, and the wolves will eat you" Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Ping - here’s an article where you can carry on the discussion you want to have, I suppose.


32 posted on 08/24/2008 4:47:15 PM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: bert
How can a father with multiple bastard children by multiple, often under age, mothers live with the children at home.

You're looking at the status of conditions today but *when* did this begin? Look back to the 1960's and LBJ's "Great" Society and in particular easy Welfare and AFDC but ONLY to fatherless homes for your answer. The fathers you're talking about today are probably 3rd generation raised by single mothers only. Now ask yourself who benefited monetarily from this system? Who got the free money? Hint: It wasn't and still isn't the fathers. So who established this habit of indiscriminate breeding and who benefits by its continuation?

33 posted on 08/24/2008 5:29:59 PM PDT by An American In Dairyland
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