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Russia's Concept for Dominating Europe
Financial Sense ^ | 08.15.2008 | J. R. Nyquist

Posted on 08/16/2008 9:12:30 AM PDT by bereanway

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A take by J.R. Nyquist on Russian strategy in Georgia and beyond.
1 posted on 08/16/2008 9:12:30 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: bereanway
The more things change...


2 posted on 08/16/2008 9:14:27 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: bereanway

And let us remember that our limp-d**k libs want us to be more like the Euroweenies.


3 posted on 08/16/2008 9:14:44 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: bereanway

Russia wants to hold Europe captive by controlling the pipelines:


4 posted on 08/16/2008 9:15:46 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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To: bereanway
Very good essay. What a blunder it was to push for Kosovo’s independence! This gave Russia all the pretextual precedent they will ever need to invade any neighbor with a Russian-speaking minority.

"Today the European Union confronts Russia in the same way Neville Chamberlain confronted Hitler in 1938; being outwitted and tricked in the ceasefire negotiations, there is no possible outcome other than appeasement. The Russians insist that their troops be accepted as peacekeepers in Georgia. The French mediators allow this. And so, the stipulated withdrawal of combatants therefore does not apply to the Russian troops. Under this ceasefire agreement Moscow can claim – in a strictly legal sense – that Russian troops can stay in Georgia indefinitely. President Medvedev and Prime Minister Putin are laughing at the French while observing international law. Meanwhile, occupied Georgia is looted and burned; Georgian ships are sunk and the Georgian capital is strangled."

5 posted on 08/16/2008 9:20:53 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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What a blunder it was to push for Kosovo’s independence! This gave Russia all the pretextual precedent they will ever need to invade any neighbor with a Russian-speaking minority.

Kosovo gave Russia merely a convenient talking point. We should be under no illusion. Russia would have done exactly the same thing without Kosovo. BTW the whole issue has little to do with "Russian-speaking". The Ossets are Iranian-related ethnically and linguistically. The Russians merely handed them out fresh passports as a pretext for invasion.

6 posted on 08/16/2008 9:26:58 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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Meanwhile, the European Union is an entirely different animal: toothless, utopian and ready to please.

Sounds like the whore in Orwell's 1984. Coincidence?

7 posted on 08/16/2008 9:28:06 AM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: SampleMan

This is an excellent article. However, some of the points are incorrect, important points.

It is clear and historic that authoriatarian governments like Russia, by necessity, must attack the openness of free states, as they see that as a weakness.

As always, this allows some short and temporary wins for authoritarian states like Russia. But they are always pyrrhic victories.

“which seeks to make the European Union (EU) the West’s chief representative in future negotiations with Russia.”

The EU is full of division, this is true. But the Russians underestimate democratic organizations. They will respond in full and strong fashion ove time. NATO will absorb Ukraine, for sure now. Georgia, if it survives will also enter into NATO.

More importantly, Putin/Medvedev totally underestimate the US’s temporaray political weakness. The United States has sent an unequivocal message to Russia by not only finalizing the BMD agreement of Patriots into Poland, but has signed a mutual defense agreement that goes far beyond NATO. In other words, Russia will never have Poland again.


8 posted on 08/16/2008 9:40:35 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (send concerns to Russian Trade Ministry rustrade@verizon.net Hit Russia in wallet....)
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To: G8 Diplomat

Energy independence is not an option. Free nations must break the yoke of energy dependence on hostile nations.

Nuclear must be expanded in a big way now.


9 posted on 08/16/2008 9:47:35 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: rbmillerjr
Excellent analysis and a good partial rebuttal to this otherwise brilliant article.
I agree with you that in the end Putin and the boys will learn the lessons learned by Hitler,Tojo, Mao(in Korea),and the long line of predecessors to the current gang in Russia. That free people can and will defend their interests and push back the barbarians. Unfortunately, the world is going to have to pay a catastrophic price before they learn that lesson unless this country summons the martial will to resist them now when our victory will be sure and not too costly ( to paraphrase Churchill ). Tough times ahead.
10 posted on 08/16/2008 9:58:25 AM PDT by mick
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I agree and Russia is but a minor part of this. Let’s don’t give them too much credit. We should fear China as well as Iran.

It is imperative that we follow up on the actions with Russia, such as excluding them from WTO and booting them from G7/G8.

Just as important is assisting Israel in knocking out Iran’s nuclear capability and leaving Iraq within 2-3 years to evolve as they will - so that our military can’t reorganize and concentrate on future conflicts and deterrence with a real super power in China.


11 posted on 08/16/2008 10:03:22 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (send concerns to Russian Trade Ministry rustrade@verizon.net Hit Russia in wallet....)
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Yes, of course you are right. And I agree with all of those steps. But I see our main weakness as political, even spiritual, rather than strategic or tactical. The West, including the US, is not mentally anywhere near in the right frame of mind to resist the barbarian. My reading of history is that this country always, ALWAYS, needs a Lexington Green, Ft Sumter, Battleship Maine, Pearl Harbor,Gulf of Tonkin, etc, to really wake itself up to the danger.

Even 9/11, in the end, wasn't enough to really rally this country to go after the Visigoths, Vandals and Huns and destroy them.....The Rape of Georgia in the end will not be enough I'm afraid. That's why I think we need to adjust our policies enough to position ourselves to act when the real crisis hits ( NATO for Ukraine, wiping our Iran's nuke capacity), while accepting the reality that in today's debased political climate the forces of barbarism will continue to advance until some emotional, spiritual line is crossed and the West comes alive and fights back.

12 posted on 08/16/2008 10:24:13 AM PDT by mick
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The Kremlin strategists believe that the United States is on the brink of a crippling dislocation. According to a July 29 Pravda article, an anonymous Russian diplomat revealed that the “Russian administration believes the United States may soon suffer from a serious political crisis.” The sequence begins with a financial crash, advances to political unrest and finally to the dissolution of American military power. As the Russian diplomat warned, “America is standing on the verge of a large-scale crisis of its own existence.”

what could this “serious political crisis” be?


13 posted on 08/16/2008 10:42:02 AM PDT by ELEFTARIA ("in war, truth is the first casualty")
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To: SolidWood

excellant points.thanks so much for clarifying so much misinformation that the western media just akes from the KGB talking points.


14 posted on 08/16/2008 10:44:17 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: rbmillerjr

excellant points. you just made me calm down again (ha). You must know your history and politics.


15 posted on 08/16/2008 10:45:36 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: ELEFTARIA

Obama’s Hawaiian vacation pictures didn’t turn out!


16 posted on 08/16/2008 10:46:36 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: ELEFTARIA

Maybe their wet dream that boyBO moves into the White house.


17 posted on 08/16/2008 11:10:23 AM PDT by mick
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To: rbmillerjr

re.....finalizing the BMD agreement of Patriots into Poland.

There was a guest on Hugh Hewitt yesterday who said this missile shield would be effective against Iranian missiles, not Russian.

Doe anyone know if this is factual?


18 posted on 08/16/2008 11:40:47 AM PDT by pugmama
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The only thing I know is that the agreement with Poland only includes 10 land based interceptors. For Poland I think the more important issue was the permanent placement of the Patriots and the mutual defense treaty. 10 interceptors is not a very large number viewed in context of total Russian capabilities. Evidently Poland didn’t feel the land based interceptors did anything to protect them against the Russians as they insisted on additional US supplied measures before they would agree to their installation.


19 posted on 08/16/2008 11:46:37 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: ELEFTARIA

As I read it, the piece foresees a political crisis precipitated by a financial collapse.

No financial collapse, no political crisis, I guess.

I see this necessarily as a comment about the upcoming presidential election.


20 posted on 08/16/2008 11:51:20 AM PDT by oceanagirl
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