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1 posted on 08/15/2008 2:27:27 PM PDT by XR7
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Daniel Usenko, Russian living off of American Taxpayers in the USA

Jackass

69 posted on 08/15/2008 3:47:27 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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Horsefeathers. The Russian's paid goons squads have been firing at Georgians from behind Russian military "peacekeepers" for weeks, while Russia moved its army into position to attack as soon as Georgia did anything about it. This is about as much a matter of Georgian aggression as Germany's invasion of Poland in 1939. Anybody remember the ridiculous got-up "border incidents" that era's fascists tried to use to justify their invasions? Anybody fall for it, or care? Also, just as a credibility issue, Abkhazian mass murderers drove a hundred thousand Georgians (a large majority of the population) from the province in the early 90s by open ethnic cleansing, murder with torture, etc, all with Russian support. Abkhazians talking about other people's aggression are about as credible as the Waffen SS whining they are victims.
72 posted on 08/15/2008 3:49:55 PM PDT by JasonC
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No offense to the author of this piece, but Poland and Ukraine disagree with him.
What do these countries know that we don’t? That’s right, they lived under Russian domination and can see through this BS. I have worked with men from Russia and Ukraine -all speak Russian and all have Soviet college degrees and US law degrees - I really like them, but they don’t care for each other. Strangest thing you ever saw.


77 posted on 08/15/2008 3:54:40 PM PDT by uscabjd ( a)
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Georgia attacked South Ossetia, destroying its capital Tskhinvali, killing innocent people

I've yet to see pictures of this "devastation". And these reports of 15,000 to 20,00 deaths. No-one has seen these bodies. This wouldn't be the first invasion based upon a pack of lies. Yes, maybe things are not as they seem. I know I won't believe any reports coming from a Russian source again.

Putin may have won a short term victory here but in the long run I think he's done a great disservice to the Russia people. Most of them are probably good people. No-one will forget Russia's actions over the past week. There are many things other than rolling tanks into another country that can be done to punish them. See my tagline for a start.

86 posted on 08/15/2008 4:16:52 PM PDT by McGruff (Kick Russia out of the G8, Kick them Now!)
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I have corresponded with and read just as convincing stories from the other side. Those stories speak of Ossetians shelling a Gerogian village after the intital cease-fire...which the Georgians then correctly construed as a violation and attacked.

I believe this story for very simple and direct reasons.

1st, the Russians have great interests in maintaining control of the tunnel that exits the Caucasus mountains, and a sea approach into Georgia that is unopposed. They do so with the two seperatist, and they hope to be soon independent provinces. They have supported those movements for just these obvious reasons and not out of care for the people's there.

It is a geopolitical gambit to allow direct and immediate access into Georgia and the Caspian region and its resources.

2nd, the Russians were prepared far too quickly with their supposed "retalitory" actions. Putting together that much armor and troops, and the amphibious and naval operations that soon followed is not accomplished in a day or two. Those things had to be in motion for weeks beforehand.

Yet the Russians were ready to go within hours of the Georgians pushing north into South Ossetia. Clearly, the Russians had this planned well before the Georgians ever attacked.

I have no doubts at this point that the Russians helped and urged the Ossetians to attack, and goaded the Gerogians into coming north precisely so they could use it as a pretext for their military actions. Stories that try and view it as something different or being encouraged by the Russians and used as propoganda.

I also have no doubts because it all happened when it did, with the start of the Olympics. That was not just coincidence either.

People's who put their faith and trust in Putin and his ilk are misguided at best, and complicit with his aims at worst. He is not altruistic, and he is not "protecting" them. He is advancing his own plans for power and using naked aggression to do so.

Luckily, the Georgians held out long enough for the Presidents of Poland, Ukraine, Latvia, and Lithuania to arrive in Tiblisi before the Russians could get theere, and before they could kill the Georgian President which they were trying to do. That was one of the most couragous things I have seen done by a group of national leaders in my lifetime...and it worked.

Coupling that with Washington's strong response and Bush now sending the US military to spearhead humanitarian efforts for the Georgians...and at the same time provide a de facto military shield, has to this point halted the Russina military gambit.

The situation is still tense and a crisis for sure, but I believe now that Georgia will survive a free country.

If the populations of the two porvinces voite to go their own way, unfortunately I believe the UN will go along, as will the Russians of course, and Georgia will be deprived of those critical areas for its own defense.

The answer to this will likely be the US and Western Europe seriously upgrading and modernizing Georgia's military, her admission into NATO, and probably US or NATO bases in Georgia to ensure that she is not cut asunder by the Russian capability to at will come through that tunnel and land troops on the shore, all south of the Caucasus.

But make no mistake, the weaponry that the Georgians will utlimately receive in such a scenario, will allow them to do what they could not do this go around...that is target and bring down the tunnel, and target and oppose landing that would otherwise threaten them.

In addition to that, which will work against Putin's designs, there will also be other unintended consequences like the treaty Poland just signed, probably Ukraine's admittance into NATO as well as Ukraine severly restricting the Russian Black Sea fleet use of the base at Sevastapol, and other former satellites much more quickly and solidly being driven into the westen republics camp.

130 posted on 08/15/2008 6:10:36 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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Some questionable stooge picks a fight with a town and Russia proceeds to decimate the entire country? Seems a little convenient to me.
196 posted on 08/16/2008 8:42:44 AM PDT by Earthdweller
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Thanks for posting this.

I have been astonished at the number of freepers, pundits, and talk-show hosts (including Rush!) who believe what they are being told by the MSM about the Russia/Georgia conflict for (apparently) no other reason than our country’s cold war past with the USSR.

At this point I don’t know who to believe or how much to believe them, but I do know that when it comes to government propaganda and MSM laziness and incompetence, there are always three sides to every coin.


212 posted on 08/17/2008 2:01:24 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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