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As Program Moves Poor to Suburbs, Tensions Follow
New York Times ^ | August 8, 2008 | Solomon Moore

Posted on 08/09/2008 4:57:40 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: Dacus943

Plus the old man stands in front of home depot to get tax free day job.


41 posted on 08/09/2008 7:15:35 AM PDT by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: reaganaut1
I lived next door to Section 8 people a number of years ago, and I've seen first hand how one house of uncivilized trash can ruin a block.

I never knew exactly who lived in the house permanently, but Grandma would come to get the kids every day, sitting on the horn instead of walking the ten feet to the front door. Naked kids were often running around outside. Whenever I pulled into our driveway which was next to their house, I heard yelling -- there was always yelling.

And that driveway of ours -- how many times did I have to get them or their friends to move cars from our driveway? Twenty?

Then there was the creepy son who looked like a predator who only came home in the middle of the night, walking to the back door, always with an air of menace.

Of course, there was the garbage, the radios blaring, and the constant cursing -- mf this, mf that.

These people had no respect for anyone or anything. We ended up selling our house to get away.

42 posted on 08/09/2008 8:37:12 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: SeafoodGumbo

It is living proof that the “Broken Window Theory” is dead on.


43 posted on 08/09/2008 8:40:40 AM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: dfwgator
It is living proof that the “Broken Window Theory” is dead on.

You could call Section 8's awful consequences the "Broken People Theory."

44 posted on 08/09/2008 8:48:27 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: STONEWALLS
....you’d be surprised at how knowledgable these people are about welfare laws and regulations...being on the tit is a way of life for many....they know the ropes better than you do...

My boy knew a white young welfare couple who would work the churches. Each month they went to a different one with a sob story and an unpaid utility bill. The church coughed up out of Christian charity. This was near a big city, so they could work the scam all year long. When my boy's wife said she could get the woman a job, she literally blanched and said, "But then we'd have to get off welfare!"

My boy and his wife were going through some lean times then (later on he told me that at one point they sold blood, which horrified me) but they never went on welfare. He said they lived on hot dogs and Top Ramen for weeks at a time and then one night he visited that couple's apartment and saw them eating halibut steak. He became a rabid conservative after that. He and his family are back on their feet via the "pull on your bootstraps" method.

once you get ensnared with them it’s hard to get free....stay clear of them if you can.

That goes for the agencies as well, who have a vested intered in keeping you on the dole. For once in my life I applied for Florida unemployment (contract ran out around Thanksgiving and NO One was hiring until after the New Year.) As I signed up, the retired Navy guy took out a bunch of forms and enumerated all the bennies I was eligible for. I told him I didn't need anything else as I'd soon have another job. He looked at me, and in a LOUD voice said, "Oh, I guess you don't want any other benefits!" as if I was unclean. I swear that when he started naming all the different programs, I could feel tentacles pulling me in. One Hell of a creepy feeling.

45 posted on 08/09/2008 8:56:44 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: SeafoodGumbo
We ended up selling our house to get away. So did we. It is the working lower and middle class that bears the brunt of this Section 8 attack. The upper middle class neighborhoods are not attacked and they have the political clout to protect themselves.
46 posted on 08/09/2008 9:01:35 AM PDT by tommix2
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To: Kozak
So for the landlord it's a no lose proposition.

It becomes a problem in apartments when the few S-8 tenants cause an exodus of the law-abiding, peaceful tenants.

This happened to a co-worker of mine. He lived in a nice, safe apartment complex. It only took ONE family to change everything. A single mother and her teenage sons on S-8 moved into a unit and overnight the apartment complex became Thug Central when her sons' gang-banger homies all started hanging around. Robberies started happening, car break-ins, fights, loud music, intimidating the other residents, etc. My co-worker was robbed at gunpoint when he went out to his patio to smoke a cigarette!

Eventually, all the good tenants moved out and the landlord found himself with a 50% vacancy rate. He couldn't give units away.

47 posted on 08/09/2008 12:13:59 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drango
a large, new home, with a pool, for $2,200 a month. WTF????? Have we gone mad?

I wouldn't think so, given the fact that payments on quality new vehicle will typically run you about $400 a month with tax and insurance.. give or take. Throw in 2 car payments...Well.. you get the picture.

If you want less expensive house payments, try Arkansas, Kansas, Ohio, etc....

48 posted on 08/09/2008 12:22:08 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: reaganaut1
Two Section 8 apartment buildings have ravaged my once quiet, peaceful neighborhood on the outskirts of town.

A middle school sits between the two apartment buildings. It was once one of the best schools around — a country school with good teachers and attentive students.
A friend who teaches there now recently told me “No learning happens there. It's just trying to keep them from killing each other until 3:00.”

Section 8 has destroyed my part of town.

49 posted on 08/09/2008 12:29:34 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: reaganaut1
"...Law enforcement experts and housing researchers argue that rising crime rates follow Section 8 recipients to their new homes, while other experts clueless leftist ninnies discount any direct link...

It's just another way for leftist idiots to ruin nice neighborhoods via their moronic "do-goodism" which never does anyone any good at all, except to make them feel morally superior by acting like they "care." Who are these "experts" that claim moving people out of high crime areas into low crime areas doesn't increase crime in the low crime areas? More clueless liberal idiocy run amok.

What these "experts" are really saying is that law abiding citizens don't have the right to live in clean, peaceful, low crime areas. It's unfair, so we'll ship some people that don't give a crap about laws, or noise ordinances, or litter ordinances into your area and see how you like it, since it's your fault that crime, noise, and trash are at high levels in other areas because you don't "care" as much as they do.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

50 posted on 08/09/2008 12:44:01 PM PDT by smedley64 (UHbUHmUH- The incoherent candidate.)
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To: Drango
I'm sure the pool was a green slimy mess. Pools are a pain to keep nice and require constant attention. These people can't even take care of themselves let alone a pool.
51 posted on 08/09/2008 12:44:52 PM PDT by BBell
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To: Dacus943

Heck we have fifth and sixth generation welfare familys where I live. They just keep makin babies at younger ages. 30 year old and even younger grandmas are not unusual.


52 posted on 08/09/2008 12:50:26 PM PDT by BBell
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To: doodad
We are having the same problem where I live. Lots of so called “katrina victims” coming back and are moving into my town. I'm not far from New Orleans. The best thing we got is the police take absolutely no crap from these people. It doesn't take long before they settle down and keep to themselves. I'm sure the NAACP will show up one day and claim the police are harassing them because their black.
53 posted on 08/09/2008 1:03:44 PM PDT by BBell
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To: Oatka

“one night he visited that couple’s apartment and saw them eating halibut steak. He became a rabid conservative after that.”

.....my daughter’s moment of awakening came when she was delivering Thanksgiving boxes of food from the church...she goes to the address and an ungrateful woman doesn’t even bother to get off the sofa where she’s sucking on a Salem and watching the cable...tells my daughter ‘just set it on the table’and doesn’t even look up....my daughter noted that she was watching the premium cable channel that we didn’t even have at home!!....that was over 20 years ago and my daughter has been a conservative ever since.


54 posted on 08/09/2008 1:49:53 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: STONEWALLS

When my wife and I were in college, we lived in a duplex — $190 a month.

We both went to school full time and worked 6 days a week. We scraped by on less than $9000 combined income. No food stamps, no welfare. We was po’, but we made it. Barely.

One evening my wife and the woman next door went grocery shopping together.

When my wife got home, I unloaded the groceries and hit the roof when I saw the big rump roast in the bag. I told her she would have to take it back, we couldn’t afford it.

Then my wife explained that the woman next door had bought the roast for us with her food stamps because she felt sorry for us.

I thought that was hilarious. We were working six days a week, but to the jobless woman next door and her jobless husband we were a charity case.


55 posted on 08/09/2008 2:20:07 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Skooz

thanks....I liked that story.


56 posted on 08/09/2008 5:05:12 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: DeaconBenjamin

This was in the ‘exurbs’ down Route 66


57 posted on 08/10/2008 7:22:25 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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