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What's wrong with science as religion
Salon.com ^ | 31 Jul 08 | Karl Giberson

Posted on 07/31/2008 12:54:12 PM PDT by AreaMan

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To: TXnMA

So God deliberately mislead Moses?


301 posted on 08/02/2008 8:38:58 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: Coyoteman
I had a case once looking for some rock paintings where I nearly stepped on one in some low vines. So I carefully backed away and got up on a nearby rock to get a better view--there was one on the rock as well.

Yikes.

I wish all we had around here is rattlers. But we've got them and we've got copperheads and cottonmouths too. In fact, this place is crawling with them. And they aren't like rattlesnakes. Rattlesnakes will rattle to warn you off and will generally leave you alone if you back away. Copperheads will lie in wait for you, and they're aggressive as all get out. After they get riled, they'll sometimes chase after you. They also frequently strike without coiling, which snakes in general can do anyway, but copperheads are noted for it.
302 posted on 08/02/2008 8:41:36 AM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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To: YHAOS

Now thAT was funny!

303 posted on 08/02/2008 9:58:48 AM PDT by BlueDragon (do you recognize the bell of truth when you hear it ring,c'mon and sing it children one more time)
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To: Soliton

Dr Hugh Ross, astrophysicist, has offered an excellent explanation of the ‘evening and morning’ (you screwed even that simple Bible passage around to fit your twisted perspective) and I’ve even given to you a hotlink for it, but apparently you don’t practice what your tagline proclaims, goober. [Still trying to figure out what Lorentz transformations are? ... And how a time frame is assumed thus a limiting factor with same, a limiting factor which God does not have to be limited by?]


304 posted on 08/02/2008 10:43:29 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

I looked at Hugh Ross. He is another Liar for God. No one NO ONE thought that the days in Genesis was anything but plain old everyday days until science contradicted the Bible.

Your astrophysicist has been a pastor for 30 years. He cannot rely on faith in the Bible so he tries to reconcile his science with his faith. He does this by pulling plausible, yet baseless, ideas out of his hat. He ends up with bad theology and worse science.


305 posted on 08/02/2008 10:54:28 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: Soliton

You’re a parody of your assertions, dude. Did your read or listen to his explanation? Did you understand it and that it isn’t a contradiction of the Bible nor is science a contradiction of what the Bible relates? ... I doubt you have the objectivity to actually comprehend what Dr. Ross has offered. Such bitterness as you display must be a real downer for those who must tolerate you.


306 posted on 08/02/2008 10:59:37 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Soliton

BTW, reason.org is the website. I’ll go get the hotlink for you.


307 posted on 08/02/2008 11:00:50 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
You’re a parody of your assertions, dude. Did your read or listen to his explanation? Did you understand it and that it isn’t a contradiction of the Bible nor is science a contradiction of what the Bible relates?

There is overwhelming evidence that the Earth is billions of years old, that life arose billions of years ago, that life evolves from one kind into another. There is no evidence to support biblical creation or the flood myth.

308 posted on 08/02/2008 11:05:57 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: Soliton
You just exposed yourself, goober. You haven't listened to or read what I offered to you or you wouldn't make such a stupid accusation tryuing to discredit Dr. Ross, et al at reasons.org!

Protecting your state of ignorance may be comforting and what you think you need, but if you’re going to obstinately refuse to grow in knowledge while spittling that you are superior to others with whom you disagree, at least don’t broadcast your ignorance with empty assertions exposing your lack of investigating the actual offered materials. Goober, Dr. Ross is not a young earth creationist. Bwahahahaha

309 posted on 08/02/2008 11:09:24 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
Read this, if your dare.

Then you can listen tot he following presentation. Who knows, even the great and powewrful Soliton might learn something! CLICK HERE

310 posted on 08/02/2008 11:11:42 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Soliton; Alamo-Girl
"So God deliberately mislead [sic] Moses?"

Neither God nor Moses misled anyone. It is readers -- who insist that "their" Earth (and, by extension, they themselves) must be the center of everything -- who do the misleading.

Look up "hubris" -- or look in a mirror...

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"Man is not the measure of God." -- Alamo-Girl

311 posted on 08/02/2008 11:35:55 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: TXnMA

If the words of the Bible are meaningless, how do you know what any of it means?


312 posted on 08/02/2008 11:39:53 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: MHGinTN

I just spent an hour reading the rate teams “findings” on accelerated nuclear decay. I am trying to understand how an alleged scientist could believe this nonsense.


313 posted on 08/02/2008 11:41:55 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: Soliton
Politics? No.

Do you truly not understand your own actions? And, of those who are likeminded? What do you think the drive to exclude all Christian expression from the public square involves if not political domination? Likewise the drive to control public education and higher education (you’ve lost that battle, by the way, to the Liberals, otherwise known as Progressives, Marxist/Socialists, etc. Not that they aren’t delighted to have your assistance. Once your usefulness is at an end, however, like what happened to the SA, out comes the longknives. If you’re lucky, it may only be metaphoric this time.)

314 posted on 08/02/2008 1:04:42 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: Soliton; JamesP81
Scientists believe something exists based on evidence.

Soliton, you’re like the three year old who has learned to constantly ask “WHY?” and consequently thinks himself to be just the most clever fellow around. You made an unqualified positive assertion and now you can’t back it up. Of course, you knew you couldn’t going in, but you figured yourself to be too clever a fellow to not be able to wiggle out. To wiggle out, you’re now saying that you believe something (that no truth exists beyond your comprehension) about which you have no evidence (no rational cause to believe), and that you should not be held to the same standard you insist on imposing on everyone else.

The ball remains in your court, and you can’t even clear the net.

315 posted on 08/02/2008 1:07:56 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS
What do you think the drive to exclude all Christian expression from the public square involves if not political domination?

You express your religious beliefs here all the time and it's public. You can stand on a street corner and yell it all day long. You can attend any church, synagogue, temple, or mosque you want. You can teach your children whatever you believe. I see evangelists on TV all of the time. We have 2 24/7/365 religious channels on my cable. The presidents have all been alleged Christians. Your religious holidays are federal holidays. Where is all of this repression you speak of?

316 posted on 08/02/2008 1:10:32 PM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: YHAOS

You can not prove a negative. You can not prove that something does not exist. It is usually encumbent upon the person claiming something exists to supply evidence for believing in its existence.


317 posted on 08/02/2008 1:12:35 PM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: BlueDragon
Now thAT was funny!

It was instinctive. Couldn’t help myself. It comes from vaudeville. If you can, imagine George Burns in his old vaudevillian sing-song voice saying “Oh, her name was Virginia, and they all called her Virgin for short, but not for long.” In fact, I suspect it came from much further back than Vaudeville in the Twenties. I think it was probably old when my grandfather laughed his head off at it as a youngster back in the ‘90s (the 1890s).

318 posted on 08/02/2008 1:36:50 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: Soliton

Those insisting upon an atheistic religion have caused more genocide in the 20th century than all others in human history combined. Their nations later degenerate into self destruction.


319 posted on 08/02/2008 1:42:58 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Soliton; TXnMA
[ If the words of the Bible are meaningless, how do you know what any of it means? ]

There is the rub.. without the proper spirit only surface things are obvious.. Lacking the spirit demands easy solutions.. Makes Captain Obvious out of you..

If humans finally evolved to invent God, where no other primate had this desire.. Disbelieving God is a devolution.. or throwback to a less evolved state..

The Bible, Jesus particularly, invented evolution.. That primates MUST BE Born Again.. and evolve to a higher state of being.. Some do not..

320 posted on 08/02/2008 1:43:31 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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