Posted on 07/31/2008 12:54:12 PM PDT by AreaMan
As a man of faith who has the highest regard and respect for science, I agree with you totally.
Boy, that sure is a chickensh&t response. I apologize, I thought I was talking to a thinker. My mistake.
>> It suggests that there may not be an answer,
You’re seriously suggesting that there may be NO answer to the question “how did we get here?”, despite the fact that our existence proves that we got here somehow? Logic is clearly not your strong suit.
>> but we will never know without evidence.
This is my point exactly. The question “how did we get here?” has an answer that can never be provided by the scientific method. The scientific method is an inherently limited doctrine precisely because it relies solely on evidence.
There are certain facts of existence — such as the origins of life (your apparent inability to understand this fundamental concept notwithstanding) — which will always defy evidence. Thus, there will always be question which the scientific method is entirely incapable of answering.
It is these questions which are entirely in the realm of faith.
Earlier in this thread, we had the following exchange:
>>> Their entire theology rests on the assumption that the human mind is capable of comprehending everything in the universe
>> I hold that truth to be self evident.
Two responses. First, a “self-evident truth” is simply another word for faith. You have thus accepted a premise based on no empirical evidence whatsoever (as the premise is “self-evident” to you).
Second, prove it.
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Start with Josephus a historian who lived from 37 CE - 100+CE Don't lead you life as someone who says "I don't know".
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
You know the answer, I am sure. The real problem these closet liberals have is a hatred for any moral authority. Thus they are at war against God.
The only moral truth for these materialistic liberals (posing as anything else on FR) is the selfish baloney they make up in their head. For their own head is really all their is and the very center of their meaningless, directionless, psychotic universe.
Then repeat it and have your peers review your work and then repeat creation themselves to validate it for themselves. Enough repetitions may give you some basis to believe it.
OK. What are you - what do you believe?
But not all the relief that could come from man, not all the bounties that the prince could bestow, nor all the atonements which could be presented to the gods, availed to relieve Nero from the infamy of being believed to have ordered the conflagration, the fire of Rome. Hence to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt, and punished Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, but through the city of Rome also, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.
Both of these groups hate American historical values, and both of these groups worship the Big Government public school monopoly.
The hardcore evolutionist on FR who claim to be small government libertarians are the worst liars of all.
The FR hardcore evolutionists worship Big Government at its very worst (public school monopoly) but claim libertarianism as a convenient, dishonest excuse for the extreme moral liberalism they spew on this conservative forum.
They are all liars of the worst kind.
YOU MEAN LIKE ALL THIS WAS JUST SOME CHGANCEY ACCIDETNAL THINGY...AND ONE-CELLED ORGANISMS BEGOT SALAMANDERS WHICH BEGOT APES WHICH BEGOT YOU...?
If anyone gets tired of the antagonism, this same discussion can be carried on at an ecumenical thread that I opened several weeks ago. The end result is that if any Freeper wants to have a moderated discussion on a particular topic, he can open the thread with the scientism tag (or almost whatever tag he wants) and declare it an ecumenical or even caucus thread.
Should Scientism be considered a religion on Free Republic? [ecumenical thread]
Free Republic ^ | June 30, 2008 | Kevmo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2038869/posts
Posted on Monday, June 30, 2008 4:44:00 PM by Kevmo
“...you can’t even prove that Jesus ever existed...”
Your’e much worse off then I thought you were.
With your very own logic YOU can’t prove Darwin existed.
When it comes right down to it, it’s not that you don’t believe God exists, it’s that you’re angry with Him.
Wow, really easy:
see posts 2, 4, 11, 15, 16....
Do you know when the historical existence of Jesus was first questioned?
you can’t even prove that Jesus ever existed
***Such brash positioning is evidence that a person is so stuck in their anti-christian bias that they will not allow any disliked facts through. The anti-science attitude towards the facts behind the historicity of events is openly displayed. Such an attitude is as hostile to science as it is to christianity.
If we tell them science is a religion, maybe the Iranians will behead all their infidel nuclear physicists before they realize they just screwed up.
Sheesh to be so smart you sure make lots of mistakes...!!
Emperor Constantine not only mentioned Jesus, he converted the Roman emprie to Christianity!
But do you beleive that your parents love you?
If not or if so, do you believe in the concept of love?
How is it measureable?
How do you prove it?
Soliton, does that mean you allow that Tacitus existed? How about Nero, Pontius Pilate, or Tiberias? All of them were historical figures, and yet the physical evidence for any particular one’s existence is much less than for Jesus Christ. Using your standard of historicity, you cannot prove that Tacitus, Nero, Pontius Pilate, nor Tiberias ever existed. As Historian Will Durant says, “the Higher Criticism has applied to the New Testament tests of authenticity so severe that by them a hundred ancient worthies- e.g., Hammurabi, David, Socrates- would fade into legend.”
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