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A Challenge to journalists and reporters- a question for Barack Obama
27 July 2008

Posted on 07/27/2008 10:13:17 AM PDT by SE Mom

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To: SE Mom; Bahbah; holdonnow; Enchante; gpapa; Grampa Dave; popdonnelly; mware; mdittmar; rodguy911; ..

Right out of Saul Alinsky’s handbook:

http://tinyurl.com/6mgkaw

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“Republican presidential candidate John McCain, a war hero turned political leader, has traveled a familiar journey in pursuit of the White House.

But his Democratic counterpart, in vaulting from the precincts and wards of American cities into a prominent national role, represents the first appearance in a presidential race of a relatively new political type: the community organizer.

Barack Obama’s ascendance is a testament to community activists’ success in amassing political power since the mid-1960s, when the War on Poverty fueled their rise and changed the electoral calculus in many U.S. cities.

Community organizing’s roots stretch back to the 1930s and Chicago organizer Saul Alinsky, founder of the Industrial Areas Foundation and author of Rules for Radicals. But it wasn’t until President Lyndon Johnson’s ambitious plan to end poverty through massive federal spending that the Alinsky model-grassroots organizing, neighborhood by neighborhood-really took off.

Starting in the mid-1960s, the federal government directed billions of dollars to neighborhood groups, convinced that they knew better than Washington what their communities needed.

The federal funds, eventually supplemented by state and local tax dollars, helped create a universe of government-funded community groups running everything from job-training programs to voter-registration drives-far beyond anything Alinsky could have imagined.

Some 3,000 local social-services groups were soon receiving government funding in New York City alone. Many were new, but the money also helped turn traditional charities that had operated on private donations into government contractors.

Those who led these social-services groups became advocates, unsurprisingly, for government-funded solutions to social problems.

To defend and expand their turf, organizers began heading into the political arena, wielding the power they had accumulated in neighborhoods to build a base of supporters.

In New York, operators of huge social-services groups like Pedro Espada in the Bronx and Albert Vann in Brooklyn won election to state and federal posts after heading up large, powerful nonprofits.

By the late 1980s, nearly 20 percent of New York City Council members were products of the government-funded nonprofit sector, and they were among the most strident advocates for higher taxes and more government spending.”


21 posted on 07/27/2008 5:07:38 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: STARWISE

Excellent background SW- thanks. It’s useful to understand the whole “community organizer” theme, and what it really means, in practical and economic terms.

(and how MARXIST it is)


22 posted on 07/27/2008 5:17:28 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

Completely ... and in terms of POWER ..
by their communistic ideology and
another layer for the “Chicago Way.”

What is the Chicago Way?

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/03/the_chicago_way.html


23 posted on 07/27/2008 5:41:59 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: STARWISE

Starting in the mid-1960s, the federal government directed billions of dollars to neighborhood groups, convinced that they knew better than Washington what their communities needed.

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I was a Public Health Nurse in Baltimore City in 1969/70, hired because of new Federal money coming to Baltimore. I saw firsthand what damage good intentions can have. The local activists had the final say in how these massive amounts of money were to be spent. Getting federal, state, city, and community representatives to agree on anything was pathetic. So the final decisions always came down to a plan that was politically incorrect or “insensitive” to disagree with, and was short term feel-good followed by long term destruction.

I was involved in the Maternal and Infant Care project, and young girls were given their own apartment in ‘projects’, buildings that were reminiscent of those huge apartment towers in Russian cities, as soon as they had a baby. Guess what the end result of that decision was!

Infant formula was delivered to their doors, instead of a program to support breast feeding, because spending money on formula was one way to get agreement on how to spend the enormous amount of dollars being thrust out of Congress.

Fathers in married households, but with low-paying jobs, were presented with the dilemma of staying in the home of their children, or leaving so that the mothers could get a larger ‘income’ from the government each month.

At the time, I could not imagine that this stupidity would continue for 40 years (until the Gingrich revolution), but it did.

Yes, I saw firsthand how “community organizers” ruined Baltimore.


24 posted on 07/28/2008 7:13:56 AM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: SE Mom

BTTT


25 posted on 07/28/2008 7:15:01 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: STARWISE

The Chicago way is what we can look forward to if this guy wins.

When will tough questions be asked? What will it take for them to scrutinize these plans he has?

I guess these are rhetorical questions..


26 posted on 07/28/2008 7:26:33 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: maica
maica wrote:
At the time, I could not imagine that this stupidity would continue for 40 years (until the Gingrich revolution), but it did.

Yes, I saw firsthand how “community organizers” ruined Baltimore.
Comment:

I agree.

In the early Seventies I worked on a project in Alaska.

One of my helpers was a Native Alaskan Eskimo.

One day this fellow who called himself Charlie started to talk about his village located between Wainwright and Barrow.

Charlie told me that most of the people in his village hated the white man and the United States government.

I was shocked and asked why since Alaskan Natives were treated as special people.

Charlie told me about the free government checks that each citizen got and how that money had made the villages lazy in doing the old things such as carving ivory and hunting.

He told me about his father who at one time was a respected hunter but was slowly drinking himself to death and was an alcoholic.

He told me about the young guys who had started using drugs and that the government agent in Barrow would fly out and bring back what ever they needed to get high.

I not only heard this from Charlie but from several other Natives in our camp.

The bartender at a bar in Nome told me that the natives come in on the first of the month and handed him their government check and they would drink until the check was used completely.

I not only saw this destruction of humans by well meaning liberals but 35 years later I still get angry when thinking about what these people felt towards our benevolent government.

I don't know how it is now in those villages and whether or not Charlie is still alive because back then Alaskan Natives suffered horribly from Tuberculosis.

Any one who has knowledge of Alaska can correct me if I have misstated.

Welfare does not build up anyone except liberals power over their lives.

27 posted on 07/28/2008 7:37:27 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMA aka Post Turtle the Forest Gump of American Politics ABORTION -Liberal Child Abuse.)
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Your illustration is repeated all over Canada where the native communities have been treated as “special”. Their children have turned to drugs, a sense of impotence, and resentment of non-natives.

Again the power and money went into the pockets of ‘community organizers’ many of whom live in luxury in cities like Vancouver, while they make their careers on the sad tales of the ‘oppressed.’


28 posted on 07/28/2008 8:28:09 AM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: maica
maica wrote:
Your illustration is repeated all over Canada where the native communities have been treated as “special”. Their children have turned to drugs, a sense of impotence, and resentment of non-natives.

Again the power and money went into the pockets of ‘community organizers’ many of whom live in luxury in cities like Vancouver, while they make their careers on the sad tales of the ‘oppressed.’

Comment:

I did not realize that you were from Canada.

Have a great friend who worked for several years for a clinic out of St Johns.

He is a Psychiatrists and told me some really hairy stories about the problems with the natives, especially suicide, alcohol and drugs.

He finally gave up and took a practice in Alabama saying the Canadian system was unworkable in it's present form.

29 posted on 07/28/2008 8:37:47 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMA aka Post Turtle the Forest Gump of American Politics ABORTION -Liberal Child Abuse.)
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To: OKIEDOC

Your friend is right. I lived and worked in Vancouver for twenty years, also in health care, but I as American and am living here again.


30 posted on 07/28/2008 9:23:01 AM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: SE Mom; maica; OKIEDOC
Ever heard of Cabrini Green?

The dregs of this failed liberal ghetto mess still remain .. 3 gulag bldgs, occupied by the same "victims."

31 posted on 07/28/2008 10:41:55 AM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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And the new solution:

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Tearing Down Cabrini-Green
Cabrini-Green Is Gone. Will The Replacement Work?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/11/60II/main532704.shtml


32 posted on 07/28/2008 10:50:49 AM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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Sure! The Baltimore high-rise projects have all been imploded.

Ever heard of the TV shows “Homicide: Life on the Streets” and “The Wire”? Both practically documentaries about Baltimore.


33 posted on 07/28/2008 11:17:11 AM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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