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Fight over open carry gun policy in Texas
KVUE news ^ | 24 July, 2008 | JESSICA VESS

Posted on 07/26/2008 4:54:09 AM PDT by marktwain

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“If it's open then everybody's going to be walking around with a gun now. I think it's only for the cops and people that are licensed,” said gun owner, Kyle Ramirez."

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They must dig hard to come up with people willing to make statements such as this!

1 posted on 07/26/2008 4:54:09 AM PDT by marktwain
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Even some gun owners are worried an open carry policy could lead to more crime. “It might just turn into the wild, wild west,” said Minter.

Same old argument almost verbatim every time a gun control law is relaxed and it NEVER happens. 22 states today have some form of "open carry" and there is no "wild , wild west" shootouts. What idiot would think Texas having an open carry provision would make it that way???? Texas was supposed to have blood in the streets when "everybody" could carry concealed. It still ain't happenin'!

2 posted on 07/26/2008 5:06:07 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: Eaker

Show off your custom holster ping.


3 posted on 07/26/2008 5:09:46 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

This looks like a BBQ gun post to me.


4 posted on 07/26/2008 5:17:04 AM PDT by 03A3
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To: marktwain
You only want to use a gun when you're in fear for your life

This is a dumb statement- the law in Texas provides for use of deadly force in preventing loss life whether it be yours or another's, to stop crimes in progress or prevent loss of property/ end tresspass (with certain provisions) among others: http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/PE/content/htm/pe.002.00.000009.00.htm

5 posted on 07/26/2008 5:20:18 AM PDT by Kolb (Use wisely your power of choice)
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To: TexasRedeye
Just to add: There are 288,907 (+ myself and my wife, hehehehehe!) (2007 statistics) active concealed carry permits issued in the State of Texas.

Carrying concealed or open should make no difference to the law. However, it should be a personal choice. Some say they do not want a bad guy to know they are armed so as to make them the initial target of wrongdoings. Some say visible open carry would discourage a bad guy from initiating wrongdoings knowing a good gun is nearby so the argument goes on and both are valid.

Still, the choice should be that of the legal firearm owning citizen.

6 posted on 07/26/2008 5:21:46 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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We should have the right. I would probably still carry concealed though. I think something even more important to fight for though is that gun owners be allowed to carry anywhere...no restrictions.
7 posted on 07/26/2008 5:23:21 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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gun owners be allowed to carry anywhere...no restrictions.

I agree and go one step further. Being armed and certified proficient should be a prerequisite to boarding any commercial transportation.

8 posted on 07/26/2008 5:32:51 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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I think if you go by total state population numbers, Michigan has a higher % of CCW license holders.

We also have open carry and zero problems with it. If its not a problem in MI there is no reasonable argument against it for TX!

9 posted on 07/26/2008 5:36:28 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: TexasRedeye

With Pres. Osama already selected, liebrals think somebody gives a [bleep] of goin back to the good ol days...yuk


10 posted on 07/26/2008 5:37:21 AM PDT by kcm.org (Conservatives bashing Sen. McCain has Ronald Reagan spinning in his grave!!!)
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To: marktwain
Cui is one of many gun owners that think owning a firearm is a privilege, not a right.

What part of "Constitutional Right" do these idiots not understand...?

Also, I have no problem with proper training, in fact, I'd like to see everyone get firearms training each time they renew their driver's license.... My point is even the left wing loonies would get an understanding of this RIGHT and may even be converted....

Flame away.....

11 posted on 07/26/2008 5:50:37 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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Just imagine a person setting next to you with a gun in a holster...
Get real

Just imagine a criminal person setting next to yo with a hidden gun waiting to rob you.

I pick the Texan with a gun not a reporter.

12 posted on 07/26/2008 5:54:14 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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I LOVED this bit regarding Michigan's pistol laws pertaining to anyone who plans within 10 days to purchase or even inherits a firearm would be prohibited if: Unable to correctly answer 70% of the questions on the basic pistol safety questionnaire.

WTF!!!!! Open carry or not, I want to see MI enact a law that requires a 70% passing grade on newspaper reporters before they can exercise the "right" of free speech!!!

Obviously, we all have our crosses to bear - you have Debbie Stabenow and her philandering husband, hehehehehe!

13 posted on 07/26/2008 5:57:35 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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Cui is one of many gun owners that think owning a firearm is a privilege, not a right.

Another one that doesn't know how to read. It's a RIGHT idiot, so move aside while the rest of us practice our rights under the Constitution.

While law enforcement is certainly an honorable and (should be) trustworthy profession, I sure have seen my share of gun-totin' idiots enforcing the law. I've seen them mishandle weapons, shooting holes in ceilings, one sheriff accidentally discharged his weapon TWICE in his office during one term, another sent a round through the wall at his office at the International Airport where he was Chief of that force. Weapons discharged in police cruisers (through the roof, blowing the light bar bracket off) give me a break people.

Yet, non, I repeat NON of my non-LEO friends have discharged any gun anywhere other than on a range, hunting and other appropriate venues. Let's get off this crap that only LEOs are "qualified" to arm themselves.

14 posted on 07/26/2008 6:02:07 AM PDT by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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WTF!!!!! Open carry or not, I want to see MI enact a law that requires a 70% passing grade on newspaper reporters before they can exercise the "right" of free speech!!!

Why stop there....how about a 70% or better grade on a Religious test?

15 posted on 07/26/2008 6:02:58 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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Allow me to try this again........

WTF!!!!! Open carry or not, I want to see MI enact a law that requires a 70% passing grade on newspaper reporters before they can exercise the "right" of free speech!!!

Why stop there....how about a 70% or better grade on a Religious test before one can attend a church, mosque or synagogue?

16 posted on 07/26/2008 6:06:15 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: TexasRedeye
That is only for the CCW. You don't need any test to purchase or open carry. Just the background check.
17 posted on 07/26/2008 6:17:48 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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>That is only for the CCW. You don’t need any test to purchase or open carry. Just the background check.<

You must be reasonably young. I remember buying a Chief Special and walking out the door with it in the box. Nobody, I mean nobody in government knew that I had bought a handgun and I cannot think of any good reason for them to know that information today. The clerk didn’t know my name, where I lived or anything about me except that I was hopefully going to be a steady customer.

THAT is how it should be!


18 posted on 07/26/2008 6:41:25 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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I’m not that young and I also bought guns when there was no instant background check.

There is now and it takes 30 sec.


19 posted on 07/26/2008 6:47:57 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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I love guns in the hands of good people. It makes bad people nervous. And the neat thing about open carry is that it doesn’t preclude concealed carry. The crook might see the openly carried guns, but then he has to wonder how many concealed ones are there as well. What a conundrum for the feeble mind of a criminal.


20 posted on 07/26/2008 7:05:59 AM PDT by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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