Posted on 07/25/2008 8:49:03 PM PDT by bamahead
How about common sense? I talked this afternoon to a friend of mine who is a Deputy in South Texas. He agreed that the police screwed up. Civilians are commonly used by LO for informants, but the actual police should have been the ones to do the sting. She was not a trained and certified Law Enforcement Officer. And as my friend also pointed out, civilians shouldn’t be the one’s to go in for the simple fact that they could walk into a drug house and flat out say, “Hey guys, did you know you are being targeted by the police?”
I appreciate that. For some reason, common sense has been getting flamed a lot on this thread.
I apologize. I have been having to repeat myself several times on this thread and was getting defensive. It’s my fault for not clarifying my posts.
I don't think any statist is arguing individuals should be able to make choices free of coercion.
What do you like jmc813?
Actually, I have seen the IQ score of one of the three. He scores in the high genius range. 2 points shy of Einstein (no exaggeration). It is his own self-stated lack of motivation that keeps him from keeping a job. He is one of my best friends and I have actually helped him get a job. He worked with me delivering for a distributor, and was good at it. He very well could have been a rocket scientist, honestly. He has the intelligence for it. The only problem is he will quit a job, not matter how good of a job it is, if he knows he is about to be drug tested.
Yes, before you say it the company could stop drug testing if he is doing well. But people have to make sacrifices in life. I sacrifice time, sometimes self respect, and the occasional family event to keep a job that is overall good to my family and I. IMO there is no reason to continue to do something recreational if it threatens your job and responsibilities.
You forgot the sarcasm tags.
I guess the laws against entrapment, bribery, coercion, contracting under duress and the RICO statutes don't apply to the police.
I know I am sensitive about this subject. I am a two year cancer patient and a four year transplant patient before that. I also have severe edema in my legs and fibromyalgia that causes horrible pain. And yet we still have idiots out there who would see people in pain or thrown into jail for ten years for possessing something as harmless as pot - and they take glee in doing it.
And yet I have watched alcoholism destroy family members and there is no worse drug on the planet. And we gladly pass it right out.
The war on drugs is a failure. We’ve got to open our eyes before our country is totally lost. It is quite disheartening to see the level of hate from people and most of them don’t have a clue what they are talking about.
Sigh.
What is your point.There is no one on this thread that would fight anything that you need for pain on this thread.Do you know that greccogirl?
I don't think drugs or the war on drugs is what's going to bring this country down. I don't care for drugs as recreation, but I think anyone who is diagnosed with a terminal disease or in your case severe uncontrollable pain should be given a free pass to do what ever you have to do, as long as it doesn't cause pain to others. That's how I feel.
A: Intelligence. They were smart enough to say a sentence that included the phrase "...speak to my lawyer..."
Fair enough, but justice that's not. In my view a crime is violating another person's rights. So, in my view, abortion is a crime, this young woman's stupidity is not. The law is obviously another matter. I do not believe our rights come from the whims of the state. I know I'm in a minority in that view.
Our law says certain types of murders are OK but posessing a plant is not. So our law is a poor metric of who is a criminal and who is not, in my humble opinion.
True enough! All this other BS we spend money on...our security IS the purpose of government and I cannot wrap my head around the idea that we would send our people into harms way without the absolute best equipment money can buy. And the welfare checks keep rolling out.
Well raw IQ means little in terms of traditional notions of success. Tenacity is much more important. I’m just asking the qustion - is pot his disease or a symptom of his disease? I certainly can’t accept the idea that his pot smoking is anything less than his own choice.
And further I think sending him in to do dangerous undercover police work is not the answer. This is the nature of having laws against these kinds of “crimes”. There is nobody complaining about them, because there are no “victims” in any traditional sense of the word. So we have to bend and break our constitutional protections in order to enforce them and do all manner of questionable activities like sending people in to do police work who have no business doing police work.
In the end all of this drug warring didn’t save you friend from his choices. I have said a prayer for your friend that his eyes will open.
One last thing, I had my own issues in my squandered youth and it was faith in Christ that pulled me out, not the law and not the drug war. I definately don’t think that a criminal record or being drafted into the narcotics squad would have been of any benefit.
Drug abuse is a symptom of a spiritual problem and that is where the solution lies. It’s easy to see drug abusers as just careless hedonists, but the core of it is pain and dispair and alienation. Man’s law won’t save anyone in this. The solution is faith and compassion and love.
I have been so blessed and so it hits home to me. I see it as only by grace was that not me in this story or in your friends situation. Our culture is a factory for producing lost young people and I don’t think we should be so ready to condemn and ruin lives. With faith, people can and do change their lives.
It’s no surprise to me that so many young people in our society get so mixed up. It happens by default without a witness to the Light in someone’s life.
Jesus saves. Man’s law should only protect our corporeal rights to life and liberty and nothing more. Anything more is, in fact, a violation of that.
I may be a "criminal", but I'd venture to guess that I make significantly more money than you and I most certainly have more sex than you.
Waving around the e-peen like that is not impressive, sorry.
I’m just saying, it’s my experience that chicks tend to avoid dudes that go by “Martin” at all costs.
If it were my real name, might have a point doper.. Think your brain needs a long break from that garbage.
No, they are arguing that one choice is acceptable but the other is not. Who gets to chose what choices free individuals can make with regards to their own physical well being?
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