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Weak Fallujah Murder Case: Marine Badgered into Admitting Guilt During Interrogation
Defend Our Marines ^ | July 12, 2008 | Nathaniel R. Helms

Posted on 07/13/2008 7:44:33 AM PDT by RedRover

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To: 4woodenboats
There was a vicious house to house to street to rooftop and back kind of battle going on. What the hell were those Marines supposed to do. Trying to bring the prisoners back to a safe area in Faluja would have almost certainly given those Marines a death sentence. Sergent Jose Nazairo had a decision to make.

1. Kill the prisoners that were trying to kill him just seconds prior.
2. Let them go free so they could try to kill him and his marines at a later date.

War is an ugly son of a bit-h. I can not fault Sergent Nazario and his men.

21 posted on 07/13/2008 10:22:50 AM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: RedRover
Weemer: "It means we had to go. Uh, we couldn’t take them: you know, we knew if we let them go they’re just going to run around our back side and pull out weapons elsewhere. The city was just covered with weapons everywhere."

fox: "Right."

Weemer: "We found [weapons] caches in all places, and we blew them all."

Fox: "Okay, so when you say take care of it you have to kill these guys or they are going to kill you later?"

Ok, I'm going to argue this is exculpatory, given the insurgents were not an organized, uniformed militia, nor did they acknowledge the Geneva convention. Given the situation our forces did not have to take any prisoners, and anyone captured could be executed upon order. Certainly they were not able to give parole.

On the other hand I bet our legal guys structured the ROE so this essential option was against the rules.

Some general officer IS responsible for this mess.

The civilian prosecutions should not have gone forward for lack of jurisdiction. Someone in our legal system is effectively in cahoots with the terrorists.

22 posted on 07/13/2008 10:30:52 AM PDT by no-s
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To: cpdiii
There's considerable doubt the event even occurred other than in the imagination of SA Mark Fox.

Consider that the only evidence of killings "confessed" to by Nelsen & Weemer appears to be that which Fox himself narrated, and there are wild discrepancies in them, such as there originally being 8 prisoners shot, then it was 4.

Nazario claims the killings never happened, and no one else can remember them, nor is there any record of a voice on the radio asking if the prisoners are alive.

The home where the killings purportedly took place was still standing after the battle, and when the owners returned, there was no evidence of any killings.

I fully agree that any terrorist has zero rights other than to die quickly after they've told us anything we want to know. They simply have no rights under the Geneva Convention. Unfortunately, the government has, for purely political reasons subverted those rules and substituted new ones, apparently at whim, including the cherry picking of military and civilian laws, sometimes using them in tandem, to create double jeopardy situations such as the recent charges of AWOL due to incarceration by a civilian judge's ruling of contempt on the same case.

23 posted on 07/13/2008 11:21:34 AM PDT by 4woodenboats (DefendOurMarines.org Defend Our Troops.org Free Evan Vela)
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To: tbpiper; no-s; bigheadfred
Among other bits of weirdness, is this part of the Grand Jury indictment against Nazario. You'd never know the indictment was against a Marine who served in Iraq...

You can read the whole indictment HERE

24 posted on 07/13/2008 12:18:10 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo
NCIS Special Agents Mark Fox..... we'll see NCIS and others with purple hearts, bronze stars running for congress in 10-15 years.

we need to NEVER forget, who the real enemy is, including the Navy/Marine lawyers with tongues out, noses shiny brown and lips puckered tightly on the officer one rung up the ladder.

just great. First you manage to witness friends killed and disfigured, then after being fortunate enough to survive you get back to the states and have the REMF's decide that in order for them to look good to the democrats and others on the promotion board....well we just gotta have a few miscreant Marines that are just nuts and gun crazy.

Every single NCIS/JAG needs to pull 6 months outside the wire on foot patrol and then start advocating war crimes against men that have had to live through combat.

Where are the muzzie trials for cutting our men up, setting them on fire, and generally being muzzies? What are the excuses given for the religion of peace?

Why doesn't NCIS investigators assist the mullahs in order to make sure they comply with ROE? Cause ya gotta know that no muzzie would ever use a mosque as a depot/observation deck/sniper post, or hide ammo/supplies in a school/hospital or infirmary.

I really don't care, what these Marines did. My only hope is that they know how proud we are of them. That they know that we're happy they're home, safe and sound. That we all wish for the NCIS/JAG and others that hope to defeat the Marines in the courtroom, meet a similar fate to others who have fought Marines.

25 posted on 07/13/2008 12:24:41 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Dick Vomer
I really don't care, what these Marines did. My only hope is that they know how proud we are of them. That they know that we're happy they're home, safe and sound.

Well said, DV. I couldn't agree more and hope those making the cases against these Marines realize that one day they'll be judged for their actions in this life.

26 posted on 07/13/2008 12:41:42 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Dick Vomer

BUMP!!!


27 posted on 07/13/2008 12:58:50 PM PDT by ticked
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To: RedRover; tbpiper; bigheadfred

One of more of these people should be investigated because their actions in support of the indictment and prosecution of Nazario, notwithstanding his guilt or innocence in the military case, give the appearance of effectively aiding and abetting terrorism:

Who has oversight of the US Attorney's actions?

28 posted on 07/13/2008 1:10:11 PM PDT by no-s
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To: no-s; RedRover; 4woodenboats; tbpiper
Here is a LINK to a site that has relevant info on US attorney's.

An Excerpt: " Explanation: The United States Attorneys (USAs) serve as the nation's principal litigators under the direction of the Attorney General. The USAs are appointed by, and serve at the discretion of, the President of the United States, with the advice and consent of the United States Senate. The USAs report to the Attorney General through the Deputy Attorney General. Each USA serves as the chief federal law enforcement officer within his/her judicial district and, as such, is responsible for the prosecution of criminal cases brought by the federal government, the litigation and defense of civil cases in which the United States is a party, the handling of criminal and civil appellate cases before the United States Court of Appeals, and the collection of civil and criminal debts owed the federal government which are administratively uncollectible".

29 posted on 07/13/2008 1:36:59 PM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: jazusamo

>>This only increases my disdain for the NCIS and their methods of investigation of our troops for alledged crimes while in combat.

Why don’t these Marines have the same rights as terrorists? Why are they being tortured by NCIS scum?

Because they are trying to destroy America! What better way than to destroy the Marine Corps, the finest fighting force God put on this pitiful planet.

They deserve better.

“Just once, all we wanted was for our country to love us, as much as we loved her.” John Rambo


30 posted on 07/13/2008 1:39:46 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: Eagles6; RedRover; lilycicero
"With him at the Hell House were Sgt John Winnick, LCpl Stephen Tatum, L Cpl Justin Sharratt, Sgt Jose Nazario, and Sgt Jermaine Nelson, despised by some of their own now for being criminals when they fought for their country."

Worth repeating.....and still unbelievable.
31 posted on 07/13/2008 1:40:12 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene

I know you don’t like it when I call you Shirley, but surely, they can’t get Tatum and Sharratt into this mess....Surely not????


32 posted on 07/13/2008 1:56:52 PM PDT by lilycicero (One flew over the cuckoo ping!)
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To: lilycicero
I know you don’t like it when I call you Shirley, but surely, they can’t get Tatum and Sharratt into this mess....Surely not????

LOL. You can call me Shirley anytime you like. No, Tatum and Sharratt had nothing to do with the incident that Nazario, Weemer, and Nelson are charged with......at least that I'm aware of. This incident happened at the beginning of the battle of Fallujah, Nov. 9 time frame. The House of Hell was on November 13.

It is "strange", to say the least, how the Marines are going after heoes of 3/1 who fought in the battle of Fallujah, though.
33 posted on 07/13/2008 2:25:19 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene; jazusamo; lilycicero; no-s; RedRover; 4woodenboats; tbpiper
despised by some of their own

Those who do the despising are forgetting they live in a glass house.

Be nice to round a bunch of these people up and tattoo this on their A$$., since that is their most prominent feature having their heads buried in something that is not a Latin primer. Apparently they couldn't even learn two words:

SEMPER FI


34 posted on 07/13/2008 2:44:07 PM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: RedRover; Girlene; lilycicero; jazusamo
bits of weirdness

Eerie. I've seen an indictment very similar to that one before.

I've seen the word "unbelievable" passed around. I would propose a different word, unfathomable, cause there are just too many people agreeing on the weirdness for it to be unbelievable any longer.

35 posted on 07/13/2008 3:11:33 PM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: cpdiii

Nazario says that this stuff that Weemer and Nelson are saying NEVER even happened. Ever.


36 posted on 07/13/2008 3:21:45 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: bigheadfred

I can’t get your pic to open. :(


37 posted on 07/13/2008 3:30:40 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (DefendOurMarines.org Defend Our Troops.org Free Evan Vela)
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To: 4woodenboats; bigheadfred

Now it does~ “We The”?


38 posted on 07/13/2008 3:34:45 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (DefendOurMarines.org Defend Our Troops.org Free Evan Vela)
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To: Girlene

They should build them a statue, not persecute them.


39 posted on 07/13/2008 3:42:49 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: 4woodenboats

We The People. Hmmm, worked okay when I previewed it. Any body else?


40 posted on 07/13/2008 3:47:28 PM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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