Posted on 07/09/2008 12:15:52 PM PDT by jazusamo
That's for the KC-767A Tanker Transport, an absolutely minimal conversion of the 767-200, with not much more than a boom added.
The KC-767AT is a whole new ball game
UPS ordered a bunch of freighters, so now the projected line closure is in 2015
Yep they canceled there Airbust orders smart customer.
as for Tanker Blogs Wars no they are not funded by Boeing they are independent. They are FOr a American Airplane that can do the Job as requested in the RFP not a turd that cannot IE KC-30 a330MRTT. which has many issues that make it not a useable tanker.
not by much it has alot of the same bells and whistles.
Not all but close. as for the eads it aint got NADA.
the KC-30 is not what its made up to be people.
It will cost more, as almost all of there programs are, it will be delayed as all of there programs are. and cannot do the job its suppose to.
You got that right Delays prove costly for Boeing
AUSTRALIA'S decision to stop payment on six early-warning jets for the RAAF is about to cost aerospace giant Boeing $US250 million.Shoulda gone AirbusThe aircraft builder advised shareholders today that its second- quarter results to be released later this month would include a charge of US 22 cents per share because of the delays.
The planes, based on a 737 business jet, were to be delivered fully operational to the air force in 2006.
Delivery has now been put back to until July 2009, when two will be handed over four months later than the date previously scheduled and with their onboard detection systems not in full working order.
Today's announcement came just a day after the Defence and Foreign Affairs Committee in Canberra heard that the government's chief military equipment purchasing agency was far from impressed with Boeing.
The Defence Materiel Organisation revealed that it is so dissatisifed with Boeing's handling of the contract, codenamed Project Wedgetail, that it had urged another prime contractor not to offer subcontract work to the aerospace giant.
Shoulda gone Airbus
Half the plane more cost.
EADS has ZERO AWACS experiance. Also the plne the RAAF want is not a dome top. new technology.
EADS a400 5 years behind millions over cost and Germany threating to fine or cancel.
EADS may not have any, but IAI Elta does
The dome top is just styling, The radar was going to be the Raytheon/IAI Elta Phalcon ESA (you know, the phased array system that actually works)
The point being:: if they can shoehorn the works into a Gulfstream 550, it'll be a peice of cake to mount it in the A-310
Takes more than that to make it work, you have High output generators that must be installed on the engine to provide enough power to the system, RADAR Sheilding, re-enforced body panels interior strengthing, Emp sheilding, It does take more than just a quick install then you must airtest for airworthy and stability. thats where Boeings 737 wedgetail awec is having problems.
They should have bought the 767 AWACS, Japans have been in service since 2000 and they have 4 of them.
As you pointed out. Australia didn't want the crap rotodome.
Counter option: Australia goes for the A-310AEW, which also means buying the 7-8 A310MRTT down the track. With the A310MRTT in production EADS concentrates on marketing that in competion with the Boring 767A for the USAF contracts
The EADS bird is still better, but not by so much that the "buy American" lobby can't push the contract to Seattle.
Boeing wins.
wait and see how many countries start leaving eads as more of there ceo’s ect go to jail and it costs them more money to keep it afloat. Eads is not in good standing in the stock market and there products are WAY behind farther than Boeings. IE a-400 a380, eurofighter. Yes Boeing is delayed in the 787 but this is all new ground for anyone working with carbon fibre. It is not a easy form to work with on such a large scale. better to take time and get it right than shove it out the gate with all the bugs not worked out.
Millions over cost for A400M is correct but do you have any source to support your two other claims?
EADS has ZERO AWACS experiance. Also the plne the RAAF want is not a dome top. new technology.
A new technology by Northrop Grumman.
The NATO AWACS were converted by Dornier. Dornier is now part of EADS. These aircrafts are still maintained by EADS.
Show me a working in service EADS AWACS plane. built by EADS. Not a upgrade or a servicing.
The military version of the four-jet Boeing 707 is the platform for NATO’s aerial reconnaissance system AWACS (Airborne Early Warning And Control System).
E3-A AWACS
It has long-range active and passive sensor systems to provide early identification of aircraft or other flying objects. The system provides control functions and can be used as an airborne operations control centre for allied combat aircraft. EADS Military Air Systems is responsible for the installation of subsystems and sensors and performs upgrade work on the AWACS fleet. The aircraft are maintained and serviced by the Dornier Aircraft Service Centre (DFW) at the Manching site. Getafe is also tasked with providing support for the Trainer Cargo Aircraft (TCA) version of the NATO AWACS aircraft.
Most have E-3’s or 767’s, Or Navy Props built by old Grumman.
737 Wedgetail and AWEC are new with none rotating annt.
Pilot error.
No, why?
Your claim was “EADS has ZERO AWACS experiance”.
Wrong again.
And they don’t have experiance. Dornier might have maintained or done servicing on E-3 AWACS but EADS HAS ZERO never built one never flown one. Servicing and maintaning is not the same. All that means is they have done periodic structural inspections, lube and paint. Sub systems is changing little black boxes. Thats not AWACS experiance.
That is not AWACS experiance at all that going to a local PHILLIPS 66 for wash and a oil job, and having a new chip put in the brain box. if that.
Sorry charlie you is WRONG
Actually, apparently they received MORE donations from EADs prior to Frank Gaffney debunking EADs and exposing its illegitimacy in matters of defense.
In fact CFSP's own Mr. Gaffney served as an aide to Senator Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson (D-WA) AKA "The Senator from Boeing".
Actually, this makes him FAR more qualified to discuss and determine this issue than you or me.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Can you say the same?
http://www.namsa.nato.int/gallery/ws_awacs_e.htm
NAMSA is the NATO E-3 AWACS depot level maintainers. Not EADS. Therefore EADS is a overglorified PHILLIPS 66 station only. Lube, Wash, Wax and a Oil change. all else is taken care of by NAMSA.
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