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CA: Is fire season out of control?
San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 7/6/08 | Michael Gardner

Posted on 07/06/2008 11:13:18 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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1 posted on 07/06/2008 11:13:20 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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In Congress, a week before the rash of freak lightning strikes that ignited more than 1,000 fires across California, a Senate committee was warned that shorthanded U.S. Forest Service crews could be overwhelmed by needs across the country.

This is also about the time or thereabouts that Gay Marriages were blessed by the Ca Supreme Court.

Coincidence?


2 posted on 07/06/2008 11:15:36 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

At least private fireworks use was down this year. Many obviuosly figured out that we have a big problem.


3 posted on 07/06/2008 11:17:39 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: NormsRevenge

Once again, the obvious is missed. Tax revenues in California would easily allow this state to purchase 20 water dropping aircraft for the exclusive use of the state. And any time a threatening fire breaks out, those aircraft could be scrambled, and the fire would be out before it even became a problem. But the construction industry, the fire department unions, and the insurance industry, among others, make sure California never makes this no-brainer purchase.


4 posted on 07/06/2008 11:18:59 AM PDT by raptor29
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To: NormsRevenge

Why do people build their homes in canyons filled with tinder that are guaranteed to be threatened by fire most summers? Those who do should not expect others to risk their lives to protect their property.


5 posted on 07/06/2008 11:19:12 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: NormsRevenge

It is not just in California although it does get all the media attention.

Here in New Mexico there have been four category 1 major fires within 10 miles of our house since December. One got within 1/2 mile and we had to evacuate twice. About 45-50 square miles burned, over 100 houses and buildings lost. The last one is still not totally out. And we still have three more months to go.

And we are just a small part of the state, other parts are still burning.

Want rain but no lightning.

Incidentally if you want to look at the location of fires around the country (and the sizes if the people have had time to post the images) go to

http://geomac.usgs.gov/viewer/viewer.htm

It is a bit slow to load and not the best in user friendly but still has a lot of information.


6 posted on 07/06/2008 11:22:52 AM PDT by ProudFossil
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To: kittymyrib

Same reason people build beach houses in hurricane-prone areas or by rivers that flood or where there are earthquakes or tornadoes.


7 posted on 07/06/2008 11:23:28 AM PDT by nobama08
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I totally understand what you mean, but there is another piece of the puzzle that you are not addressing. That is the fact that the Greenies in CA have effectively halted any form of timber removal, even the dead stuff.

A lot of us started removing old dead oaks last winter/spring and then suddenly our County saw what was happening and decided to make some money off of it. Now they require environmental evaluation and permits, even if the trees are dead. Several homes were lost here recently because a homeowner was not allowed to remove some dead eucalyptus, the most flammable tree in the forest.

It’s all about politics and money. I’m glad I did my oak clearing before the dummies at the County figured out how to cash in.

You see, my point is, we wouldn’t BE living in “canyons filled with tinder that are guaranteed to be threatened by fire...” if they would just leave us alone and let us protect our properties.


8 posted on 07/06/2008 11:26:39 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: NormsRevenge

Hey Norm!!

Happy Fourth of July! We survived here without any more fires!


9 posted on 07/06/2008 11:28:10 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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"Why do people build their homes in canyons filled with tinder that are guaranteed to be threatened by fire most summers"? Well, you have to live somewhere. There is not a place in this Country you can live in that does not have some threat of a disaster

But you get to decide what risk you want to take. (at least for now anyway)

10 posted on 07/06/2008 11:37:28 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Election '08, the year McCain defined the word "dilemma")
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Fire season is progressing according to plan, albeit not a conscious plan. It is forest management that is out of control and has been for some time. Only very recently did this dawn on the 9th Circus when in The Lands Council v McNair they admitted they went too far.
11 posted on 07/06/2008 11:37:33 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (If it is going to take 10 years, shouldn't we get started? Drill here, drill now, pay less.)
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if they would just leave us alone and let us protect our properties.

Amen

12 posted on 07/06/2008 11:38:58 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Election '08, the year McCain defined the word "dilemma")
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To: NormsRevenge

That is what happens when the forest is not managed, thank the environmentalists for their destruction of the forest.


13 posted on 07/06/2008 11:51:18 AM PDT by dila813
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To: NormsRevenge

LOL!


14 posted on 07/06/2008 11:59:42 AM PDT by calcowgirl (Schwarzenegger and McCain are trying to castrate the elephant)
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To: NormsRevenge

IMO...These fires happen when Libs/Environazis get hold of a Bic lighter...take trip in their VW van to a forest....come back and scream...”Look what global warming has done!!!”....


15 posted on 07/06/2008 12:45:56 PM PDT by Coffee200am
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The answer is clearly no,” said Carroll Wills, who represents California Professional

In the good old days (before protecting union thugs) citizens were recruited to fight fires in the timber region. Loggers showed up with dozers, water tenders and job site firefighting equip within a few hours. Now all they can do is signup with CDF and wait for a EIR to be filed and to make sure it pays union scale...

16 posted on 07/06/2008 1:24:23 PM PDT by tubebender (Why does a round pizza come in a square box?)
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To: Coffee200am
You could be right the bran muffin crumbs and hemp shards would be a second clue.They leave the chaparral to pile up is a nice touch also.
17 posted on 07/06/2008 1:29:54 PM PDT by Cheetahcat
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To: NormsRevenge; All
Are Wildfires in California this time of year (or anytime) a news story any more. They seem to be the norm and thus do not by definition constitute news.
Yes they are a news story but the most important aspect of these stories seems to always be missed by the news reporters. The REAL story is that a very significant amount of these fires are caused by poor forest management. The real culprits are the Sierra Club, the Wilderness Society, the Natural Resources Defense Council and a lot of other environmental organizations that have for years stopped responsible logging, thinning and cleaning of the forests. This along with suppressing small fires for many years has lead to the situation we are in presently. Stopping small fires was done for good intentions. People really thought they were doing the right thing. However this fire suppression is what has lead to a lot of the fuel loading on the forest floor. This is the problem. The Sierra Club and the other so called environmental organizations have stopped responsible forest management by filing lawsuits to stop the forest service from doing what it should do to stop these fires.
18 posted on 07/06/2008 2:45:32 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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I have two fires in my district - Ukonom complex at at 9,031 acres. There are 379 firefighters on it. (Merrill Fire at 4,825 acres is 18% contained; Jake Fire at 3,241 acres is 2% contained and Blue Fire at 965 acres is 8% contained.) Then there is the Siskiyou Complex at 11,100, 29% contained and 614 firefighters.

Because these are away from most populated areas, they have minimum staffing and will likely continue to grow for some time. They are burning down the Klamath River in old growth timber and prime salmon habitat. Both were caused by lightning. This is east of where the huge Biscuit fire burned.

The Ukonom fires are in some of the area burned in 1973 in the Off fire, 1977, and 1987 Yellow Fire,(during the Fire Siege), the 2005 Geary Fire and 2006 Hancock and Woolley fires. These areas were not salvaged after prior fires and dead trees remained as fuel for current fires.

Dillon Creek is the area of current the Siskiyou Complex burn. It is a Late Successional Reserve for northern spotted owl. It burned in the 1987 Fire Seige, the 1994 Dillon Creek Fire and was heavily hit during the storms of 1997.

In the summer of 1997, Earth First and the Dillon Creek Forest Defenders defended the “ancient forest” in Dillon Creek from management for forest health. The Forest Service planned the Dillon timber sale under the Congressional salvage rider as an emergency measure to avert a forest health crisis and catastrophic fire. The environmentalists pushed to have the salvage sale blocked based on claims it was in a roadless area. The local USFS analyzed the boundaries and determined the sale not to be in a roadless area but outside the boundaries and a sale proceeded. The protestors monkeywrenched and tried to interfer with the salvage operation.

It will be interesting to see how the Dillon Creek watershed fares in the fire.


19 posted on 07/06/2008 3:08:41 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: truthguy

responsible.

a very slippery word when it comes to environmentalists.

they can do no wrong in the eyes of the media and their supporters.

yet somehow, they still can not see the forest for the trees.

a few more lightning strikes and maybe finally the responsible thing can be done. or the forests will all be burnt down.

then , who will be responsible?

Thanks for the comments. eco-nuts are ironically more likely to be destroyers of nature , who in their zeal to save the environment, only mess it up more.

What’s the old saying, ‘Ya don’t mess with Mother Nature’.

I doubt environuts have the mental capacity to fathom the concept... or the news reporters.


20 posted on 07/06/2008 3:21:30 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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