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Another Gross Factual Error at The Supreme Court
Instapundit.com ^ | July 02, 2008 | Glenn Reynolds

Posted on 07/02/2008 8:28:14 PM PDT by Uncle Ralph

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To: Jim 0216

Yeah, but getting rid of Kennedy with Bush as a lame duck significant appointment wise would be a mistake. Kennedy is near the center of the spectrum, and in fact, has voted most often this year with the conservatives. Remove Stevens, Ginsburg or Souter and replace them with Janice Rogers Brown or somebody and that would be progress indeed.


21 posted on 07/03/2008 7:44:18 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Typical white person)
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To: justiceseeker93

That was kind of my assessment too. As far as Stevens’ errors being due to his advanced years, it’s also surprising that none of the rest of the minority, or Scalia or any others on the majority for that matter, caught this. They all had to have read the opinion in numerous draft stages.


22 posted on 07/03/2008 7:47:46 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Typical white person)
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To: Still Thinking
...Kennedy...Stevens, Ginsburg and Souter...

I say throw all those bums out for the same reason. It would be a wake-up call to anyone aspiring to be an activist SCOTUS Justice to think again. It could do a lot towards turning things around. How could you do it with our socialist Congress? I don't know but it would be worth a try and if it was done right, the American people, who are sick of judicial tyranny and activism, would be behind it. The difference would be the American people - something Reagan, but few others these days, understood.

23 posted on 07/03/2008 9:23:05 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: justiceseeker93
...I think that the factual error was irrelevant to Kennedy's decision...

The analysis I read said that the

...inventory of jurisdictions was a central part of the court’s analysis, the foundation for Justice Anthony M. Kennedy’s conclusion in his majority opinion that capital punishment for child rape was contrary to the “evolving standards of decency” by which the court judges how the death penalty is applied. http://patterico.com/2008/07/02/blogger-catches-justice-kennedy-with-his-pants-down/

That makes this look like a gross error bordering on negligence and the absence of "good behavior". He and his majority also called capital punishment for child rape unconstitutional for the same reason and have therefore committed judicial heresy in that they've overridden the language and intent of the Constitution and inserted their own moral assessments and legal inventions (capital crime is spoken of and not prohibited in Amendment V).

This adds up to gross negligence and mischief and is grounds for impeachment.

24 posted on 07/03/2008 10:06:56 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: justiceseeker93
......"didn’t cite any foreign precedents"......

I wrote my congressman to ask them to start impeachment proceedings if I ever hear that phrase again on a decision. I told him I was serious and gave the reasons why this was not their job and what they swore to uphold.

The only thing I think they understand is a mountain of letters to show we are watching. Remember the "amnesty compromise"? It was going to pass until the switchboards lit up. Just throwing stuff at the TV doesn't work.

25 posted on 07/03/2008 11:46:21 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: Uncle Ralph
This lying about earlier decisions, mis-characterizing, or assuming that some intermediate court quoted them correctly and in context, has long been a staple of those who would deny the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

For instance see:

CAN THE SIMPLE CITE BE TRUSTED?:

LOWER COURT INTERPRETATIONS OF UNITED STATES V. MILLER AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT
26 Cumb. L. Rev. 961-1004 (1996)

Brannon P. Denning

26 posted on 07/03/2008 7:53:26 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Jim 0216

You may disagree with Kennedy’s opinion, but that’s hardly grounds for impeachment. These cases come down to the interpretation as to what constitutes “cruel and unusual punishment” as prohibited in the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution. This is a rather subjective matter, and judges may in good faith disagree with one another on a case by case basis.

About the only charge on which (a handful of) federal judges have been impeached is for bribery, e. g., the notorious Alcee Hastings, who is now a ‘Rat member of Congress.


27 posted on 07/04/2008 7:35:24 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Of course my disagreement with the decision of Kennedy and his group is not grounds for impeachment. Else you have mob rule. However nothing I’ve said is about that.

I’m basing my comments on the Constitution itself. Nowhere does the constitution state in text or intent that capital crimes are cruel and unusual. Amendment V acknowledges and allows and does not forbid “capital” crimes. Judicial activism and heresy is when a judge inserts his own moral code (that capital punishment for child rape is contrary to the “evolving standards of decency”) for the text and intent of the Constitution.

What about basing his decision on gross negligence and misstatement of facts (the inventory of jurisdictions was a central part of the court’s analysis noting that a child rapist could face the ultimate penalty in only six states — not in any of the 30 other states that have the death penalty)?

These add up to gross negligence of both the facts surrounding the case and Constitution itself. This could well come under the heading of mischief and removal of the constitutional protection of “good behavior” that would expose these Justices to serious considerations of impeachment.


28 posted on 07/04/2008 9:18:40 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
Nowhere does the constitution state in text or intent that capital crimes are cruel and unusual.

I think you meant, "No where does the constitution state ... that capital punishments are cruel and unusual," because the adjectives "cruel and unusual" modify the noun "punishments" in the text of the Eighth Amendment.

But, whether or not a particular punishment is "cruel and unusual" necessarily depends on the crime for which it is meted out. This is a judgment of proportionality. It was the majority's view that that capital punishment is disprortionately "cruel and unusual" for a crime that, though heinous, did not cause death to another individual.

That determination of "cruel and unusual" is necessarily subjective, but this is how the Eighth Amendmendment was written. The court was not meddling into something that it shouldn't, in contrast to what it has done in a slew of other cases.

29 posted on 07/04/2008 10:00:16 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
It was the majority's view that that capital punishment is disprortionately "cruel and unusual" for a crime that, though heinous, did not cause death to another individual.

As I understand it, their argument was based on capital punishment for child rape being contrary to the “evolving standards of decency”, noting that a child rapist could face the ultimate penalty in only six states (instead of 36 states that have the death penalty). It seems that their argument questioned the death penalty itself as unconstitutional. THAT is judicial activism (including gross neglect of the facts upon which their opinion and decision stood).

BTW, I hate the death penalty and am against it. But I hate judicial activism and the slow-but-sure neglect and judicial destruction of our Constitution even more since it is the bulwark and protect of out God-given rights and freedoms.

30 posted on 07/04/2008 11:36:28 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
I have to confess that I didn't read the majority opinion, but I have read humdreds of SCOTUS cases from all eras of American history. The majority didn't need to say or imply that all capital punishment is unconstitutional, if that's what they did. They'd be better off sticking to a lack of proportionality argument, which would have been more acceptable.
31 posted on 07/04/2008 6:08:16 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Jim 0216
Update: I read a few MSM summaries of the SCOTUS decision banning the death penalty for child rape. The Kennedy (majority) opinion was essentially based on what I had suggested: the disproportionality between the penalty and the crime. There apparently was no thought in the opinion to suggest that the death penalty was not in play for murders.

BTW, some child victims' rights groups praised the decision because, they claimed, a child rape victim would be less likely to report the crime if what she/he said might result in the death of a relative or someone else she/he looks up to.

32 posted on 07/04/2008 6:29:01 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Well thanks for the update. If I have time, I’ll try yo go through the actual opinion (all I have is an analysis of it). BTW, do you know where I can get a hold the actual text of Kennedy’s written opinion on this?


33 posted on 07/04/2008 10:44:23 PM PDT by Jim W N
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