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Department of Veterans Affairs Prepares to Strip John McCain of Vietnam Veteran Title
Blue Water Navy Vietnam Vetarans Association ^ | 26 June 08 | Site Admin - Blue Water Navy Organization

Posted on 06/30/2008 9:54:41 AM PDT by Right Winged American

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To: Condor51

“Adm William Stockdale”

Have you read his book?


101 posted on 06/30/2008 5:21:31 PM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq
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To: Right Winged American

Nothing a good strong rope and a can of graphite grease wouldn’t cure when applied correctly to certain persons in leadership positions. mThis is a Chicken **** act where’s the so called adults at in DC?


102 posted on 06/30/2008 5:34:36 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: Right Winged American

bump


103 posted on 06/30/2008 6:56:28 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Right Winged American

GW Bush is once again looking out for the troops.


104 posted on 06/30/2008 7:07:42 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (Fools get what they deserve in the end. You are responsible for the government that enslaves you.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
"Definition of Service in the Republic of Vietnam," for the purpose of clarifying eligibility for presumption of exposure to herbicides status

Think, people. I'm sure you can figure this out. If you're on an aircraft carrier 100 miles off the coast or in a fighter at 30,000 feet, how much exposure to herbicide do you want to be presumed?

This is a clarification of a necessary but obscure regulation and anyone who wants to go to war over it has way too much time on their hands. Or an ax to grind.

Ah, yes. The 'reasonable' man and his interpretations.

Where to begin...

Did you read the information about the Institute of Medicine's study of 25,000 Vietnam Veterans of ALL services over 30 years which found a much higher incidence in the U.S. Navy of cancers and illnesses 'presumed' to be caused by exposure to contaminates of Agent Orange than in the Army or Marines?

Did you read the Royal Australian Navy's report of the concentration and enhancement of the toxicity of the Dioxins by the shipboard salt water distillers?

Have you ANY idea how much fresh water the 4 LARGE steam turbines on an Essex class Aircraft Carrier requires? Or the amount of fresh water required by the 2 steam-powered aircraft catapults on board, running Alpha Strikes? Look it up. You wouldn't believe me. And that's an old WWII Carrier! (Any Oil King's here? Am I right?)

What ever gave you the idea that Carriers, Reefer Ships, Oilers, or Ammunition Ships operated 100 miles off shore on Yankee or Dixie Stations?

What about the DDG's on the Gun Line? Did you think they fired 5 inch rounds from 100 miles out?

What about the Spad's (A-3 SkyRaiders) that flew shotgun on the Ranch Hand AO Spray planes? Or the A-4's dropping Mk. 84 Snake-eyes? I guarantee you they weren't dropped from 30,000 feet; more like 300. (Any Scooter Naval Aviators here? Care to confirm?)

Do you know how many AO planes were shot up by ground fire and had to dump their load out at sea so they could make it back to land? Ever hear of the AO plane called 'Patches'? (Any Wing-Wipers here who could comment?)

I would be stunned by the massive ignorance of all things Navy you display, except for the fact that civilians of your incurious mindset are running the DVA that is doing everything it can to Delay and Deny 'till the Veteran Dies.

NOW do you understand why 18 veterans commit suicide daily!?! And why the DVA desperately tries to gloss over it? If we don't have PTSD when we muster out, we will from dealing with the DVA.

Feh!

Words fail me.

105 posted on 06/30/2008 7:23:05 PM PDT by Right Winged American (No matter how Cynical I get, I just can't keep up!)
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To: Right Winged American

Bump to print for my Vietnam Vets Group.


106 posted on 06/30/2008 7:27:30 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: magslinger

Slinger, does this rate a Nav-Air ping?


107 posted on 06/30/2008 7:41:45 PM PDT by Right Winged American (No matter how Cynical I get, I just can't keep up!)
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To: GreyFriar

What a bunch of crap! The VA can designate who is eligible for Agent Orange benefits without saying those who aren’t eligible for Agent Orange benefits didn’t serve in the Vietnam War. They ought to hear about this — a lot!


108 posted on 06/30/2008 8:19:43 PM PDT by zot
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To: SendShaqtoIraq

“Yes, my roommate is dead thanks to the VA hospital system.”

Um.....ok.


109 posted on 06/30/2008 8:40:23 PM PDT by Grunthor (Your results may vary)
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To: Snickersnee

darn, I’ve read it a couple times and it still sends the same message. When I went to the web site, there’s a lot more to back this up. I guess if you’re on their payroll, the VA must not be half-bad. You just need to re-read it very slowly. I don’t see the cr@p - other than what’s being dished out by the VA.


110 posted on 07/01/2008 4:08:15 AM PDT by johnfrog
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To: Right Winged American; Vroomfondel; SC Swamp Fox; Fred Hayek; NY Attitude; P3_Acoustic; ...
SONOBUOY PING!

It does indeed rate a Navair Ping. Thaks for the heads up.

Click on pic for past Navair pings.

Post or FReepmail me if you wish to be enlisted in or discharged from the Navair Pinglist.
This is a medium to low volume pinglist.

111 posted on 07/01/2008 6:27:52 AM PDT by magslinger (Infidel, American type, quantity one (1) each.)
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To: magslinger

Thanks for the ping Mag.
I sent links of this out to quite a few other VN Vets.


112 posted on 07/01/2008 7:50:01 AM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: magslinger

bttt


113 posted on 07/01/2008 2:18:43 PM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet ("...deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed... ")
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To: river rat; Right Winged American; magslinger
What is this....shades of Nationalized Health Care? Just a little discrepancy to deny VA services to Navy and Marine aviators? Sailors and Fleet Marines?

While I was in DaNang, USN and USMC aviators off carriers landed there (in country) regularly for various reasons. They also landed at Cam Ranh; don't know about Tan Son Nhut in Saigon but it wouldn't surprise me.

Viet Nam vets served in country, in the Gulf of Tonkin and the South China Sea and in the air over South and North VN. Their pay was tax free, postage free, they drew combat pay and flight pay for serving in a war zone. These were the Bennies to compensate putting up with the bullets, mortars and missiles.

I suppose the Bureaucracy of the VA is in a cost cutting mode while at the same time congress is pushing for increased funding for veterans of the current conflicts. Then again the VA hasn't been generous with timely treatments of vets of previous conflicts, especially those who served in Viet Nam. Hasn't the VA and the government stiffed us enough?
114 posted on 07/01/2008 7:34:24 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

If it’s just “boots on the ground” and on a vessel in the “inland waters” — then what about “in the air on an ordered flight that supports the boots on the ground?”

Besides, he certainly had his boots on the ground when he was captured while serving in the military. Doesn’t being a POW count for something, or is this just an attempt by John Kerry to besmirch John McCain?


115 posted on 07/02/2008 10:54:44 PM PDT by quintr
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