Lock and Load [NY Times Double Bag Barf Alert]

New York Times ^ | June 27, 2008

[KeyesPlease]

“Liberals thinks that because we don’t have militias anymore...”

We the people are the militia and militia’s can organize rather spontaneously as circustances may dictate. In addition to citizen action post Katrina, one need look no further than the passengers of United flight 93.

[KeyesPlease]

correction:

“militia’s” = “militias”

[y6162]

“Individuals bearing arms- could become a “militia” very quickly- right?”

This is exactly what the editors of the NYT fears. Armed citizens will be able to resist the imposition of a communist dictatorship that the NYT desires.

[MosesKnows]

But that’s a sharp reversal for the court: as early as 1939, it made clear that the Second Amendment only protects the right of people to carry guns for military use in a militia.

That statement so twist the words as to be an outright Lie. A lie from a newspaper, the New York Times. I can recall when my father so respected the New York Times. The New York Times's masthead logo was once, "All the News That's Fit to Print," dating back to 1896. What is their masthead logo today; surely it has changed.

If the writer had stated the truth of the 1939 Supreme Court decision, he could not have made his point. A true statement regarding the 1939 decision would have said; “the Second Amendment only protects the right of people to carry guns militia type weapons for military use in a militia.

Note: the Miller decision only required evidence that the weapon contribute to the efficiency of a well-regulated militia. The Court never said the defendants had to belong to a well-regulated militia. Also worth nothing: in the entire text of Miller, neither the words "state militia" nor "National Guard" are to be found.

[elhombrelibre]

If the NYT doesn't agree with the Supremes, they, and perhaps Obama, can lead an effort to amend the constitution to say the things they want it to say. I'd like to see them do that and see how well it goes.

[Condor51]

Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, declared that the Second Amendment guarantees individuals the right to bear arms for nonmilitary uses, even though the amendment clearly links the right to service in a “militia.”

Lie #1. Justice Scalia addressed that and shot it down (pun intended)

But that’s a sharp reversal for the court: as early as 1939, it made clear that the Second Amendment only protects the right of people to carry guns for military use in a militia.

Lie #2. Miller only addressed the type of weapon - a sawed off shotgun. This was also covered by Scalia, in DETAIL.

The District of Columbia, which has one of the nation’s highest crime rates, banned the possession of nearly all handguns (blah, blah)

The irony here is not just dripping, but flows like Niagara Falls. These ijits don't 'get' that they're confirming that Gun Control Laws are USELESS and ineffective as the criminals, well, they're CRIMINALS, and don't give a crap about any law.

[Eddie01]

Finally, there are those (found most commonly in Academia, but elsewhere, too) who have made it their project to destroy our culture and our way of life in order to impose their own vision of Utopia. What better way to achieve that end than by supporting policies that subvert the rule of law, while imposing laws that are ill-defined, ineffective, and unenforceable?

While true, an achademic should be able to look to history for evidence of what happens when utopia is pursued. Which tells me they have an agenda beyond achademia.

Still contemplating the rest of your analysis. Thanks.

[andy58-in-nh]

Please bear in mind that many of today's "academics" explicitly reject the idea of History as a useful guide to understanding past, present or future. Instead, they view it as a mere "social construct" reflecting the prejudices and biased perceptions of those who provide analysis and interpretation of events.

Today's "historians" are frequently Deconstructionists who reject the very idea of objectivity, view language as infinitely malleable and find their purpose in kicking the pillars out from beneath the institutions that house our civilization.

[Oldpuppymax]

More completely expected bed-wetting from the NY Times.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

The *solution* to criminally associated gun homicide is that there be more law enforcement, especially by ordinary citizens acting in that capacity. That means an honest, armed citizenry to fight against criminal gun use.

This is not vigilantism. This is the recognition that within the Common Law, there is an inherent need for citizens to have "inherent deputization".

In turn, this means that as States have "Good Samaritan" laws to protect those who render medical aid in emergency situations, they also need "Good Deputy" laws to protect citizens who render law enforcement aid to prevent or interfere with criminal activity.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

That’s an average of 82 people per day so the MSM better quit bitching about Iraq and Afghanistan.

I wonder where the figure 30,000 per year killed by guns comes from.

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DOJ department of Justice, FBI, etc.

approx breakdown

32,000

16,000 sucides

11,000 homicide, one or both of shooters with police record killing each other. drug war ect.

5000 mixture of innocent life taken, accident, family disputes etc.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

That’s an average of 82 people per day so the MSM better quit bitching about Iraq and Afghanistan.

I wonder where the figure 30,000 per year killed by guns comes from.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

DOJ department of Justice, FBI, etc.

approx breakdown

32,000

16,000 sucides

11,000 homicide, one or both of shooters with police record killing each other. drug war ect.

5000 mixture of innocent life taken, accident, family disputes etc.

[wastedyears]

How many people die from medical malpractice...

[rabscuttle385]

Thirty-three dead last year in the shootings at Virginia Tech.

Cities and states have tried to stanch the killing with gun-control laws.

What The New York Times fails to mention is that, for quite some time preceding the massacre, guns were banned on the campus of Virginia Tech, as they were at the University of Virginia and every other public college and university in Virginia.

Of course, that's a rather inconvenient truth, eh?

[neverdem]

BTTT!

[Diamond]

One might die in office, or become mentally impaired (stroke)

Might become mentally impaired?

Cordially,

[Diamond]

That's one of the best, most succinct descriptions of liberalism I've ever read

Cordially,

[HokieMom]

Right, they missed that point. Interesting thread. Thanks for the ping.

[andy58-in-nh]

Thank you. I’ve spent my life studying these people; the faces come and go but their essential nature never changes.