Morality -- Trotskyite vs. Christian [It's Pat]

Townhall ^ | June 24, 2008 | Pat Buchanan

[Alouette]

Pat hits bottom, digs.

[Alouette]

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[C19fan]

How come Pat does not mention the Nazi bombing of Rotterdam and Warsaw?

[rmlew]

PAt confuses debating with ingorant leftists and looking at history. Pat is revising history and assuming that we are all ignorant, again. And he is ascerbic to grow up and deal with an argument as anything but a personal attack.

[KevinDavis]

I voted for this idiot in 92... Big mistake..

[colorado tanker]

Pat hits bottom, digs.

Pat's whole campaign for a revisionist rejection of our fighting WWII is just bizarre. Our bombing wasn't justified in light of Coventry, the East End, Warsaw, Rotterdam, etc.? Nonsense.

That said, the bombing effort produced checkered results, at best. The Brits couldn't hit much of anything of strategic value, bombing at night. U.S. losses from daylight bombing outweighed what value we got, at least until losses declined after we got fighter cover all the way to and from the target.

Research after the war showed rather than demoralize civilians, bombing tended to reinforce their resolve.

[Borges]

Why did Pat call his article “Trotskyite vs. Christian” when he’s talking about Churchill’s England, Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Russia? Is it because he’d rather have a Jewish name representing Communism?

[KevinDavis]

Pat and his fellow paleos is stuck in a time warp.. Mainly in the 30’s and the 50’s.. They need to stop living in the past and live in the present..

[TrueKnightGalahad]

Waiting for the sniveling PATrons to emerge from their sewers to defend him.....4....3....2....1....

[Natchez Hawk]

Not defending Buchanan, but Hitchens did leave himself open to a hell of a lot of criticism. Defeating Nazism and ending the Holocaust justified the Allied tactics in toto, beyond what would be the norm in ‘mundane warfare.’ But Hitch makes it sound as IF the raids were justified as punishment—not as a strategic objective.

[elmer fudd]

War is all about success and if a tactic succeeds then it is justified. It’s all about survival and defeating the enemy. When the existence of your country and your people are on the line you don’t play by Marquis of Queensbury rules.

[VOA]

After the war, a lone Senate voice arose to decry what was taking
place at Nuremberg as "victor's justice."

You just can't make some people happy.
It was a pretty herculean effort by the US and Brits to convince
the Soviets to have a trial and to document of the Nazis' offenses.
The Soviets just wanted to have the Nazis hung/shot.

[rfp1234]

[BenLurkin]

Or ....

[VOA]

“The Legend of Dresden”
a scholarly and balanced account in Air Force Magazine;
a decent antidote to some of the revisionism
http://www.afa.org/magazine/oct2004/1004dresden.asp

[usurper]

I voted for this idiot in 92... Big mistake..

Me to....sigh

[VOA]

Surely Mr. Buchanan knows that painting was inspired by a simple
“warm-up” by The Luftwaffe before “the big game”.

[isrul]

I heard, decades ago that the initial British bombing of German cities was to divert the Luftwaffe from targeting the RADAR sites on the British coast ad hit other British targets instead. Cynical but logical. If you know where the planes are you can attack them effectively with a limited force. As far as so called terror bombings of German cities were concerned. It was strategically justified to kill people who could man German factories which perpetuated the German war machine. It seems, no matter what the allies did, the krauts could rebuild factories at an amazing pace. But you can't re animate dead workers. Morality has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[Owl558]

“Our bombing wasn’t justified in light of Coventry, the East End, Warsaw, Rotterdam, etc.? Nonsense.”

As I recall, in WWI the belligerents gassed each other without too much moral outrage, but zepplins bombing cities was a great atrocity. In WWII the morality pretty much flipped 180 degrees.

OUR trouble here is that we’re giving Pat Buchanan WAY too much credibility by even listening to what he has to say.