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Is McCain Holding Secret Pro-Amnesty Meetings with Hispanics?
polipundit ^ | Sunday, June 22nd, 2008 | Michael Sparxx

Posted on 06/23/2008 12:49:27 PM PDT by Checkers

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To: CharlesWayneCT
I do believe that McCain will have no more influence on congress in this regard than Bush did. And that in any case, there is NO vote for President that will make it any LESS likely that amnesty will be pushed.

McCain was instrumental in passing amnesty in the Senate in 2006 [S 2611]. In many ways it will be easier to fight a Dem in the WH on amnesty than McCain who will influence the RINOS and make amnesty a "bipartisan achievement," something the Dems want very much. The battle will be fought in the House on amnesty. It will pass easily in the Senate.

Yes, we need a comprehensive approach to immigration, legal and illegal. An enforcement first approach is needed. We need less legal immigration, about 300,000 a year compared to the 1.2 million today. And it needs to be merit based. We also need to end birthright citizenship. Getting that done is going to be almost impossible given the current makeup of Congress.

61 posted on 06/26/2008 2:27:16 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Dante3

McCain also voted against making English the official language of the country.


62 posted on 06/26/2008 2:28:23 PM PDT by kabar
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To: ozarkgirl

Hey, Thanks for the ping!


63 posted on 06/26/2008 2:33:42 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: goldstategop
D.C. vs. Heller, 5-4 vote. Obama election changes that decision. Nuf ced.
64 posted on 06/26/2008 2:40:38 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: kabar

Did McCain ever give a reason why he objected to English as our official language? Of course, he credibility is so low that whatever he says has little meaning. We can only be sure that he is obsessed with amnesty, perks for illegal aliens, and CFR for others.


65 posted on 06/26/2008 4:17:16 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: kabar

McCain is no more on the amnesty push than Bush. And McCain won’t have McCain in the Senate. So how do you think it will be easier for McCain than it was for Bush?


66 posted on 06/26/2008 4:56:39 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Rastus

One has to look at what McCain has done, not what he says. McCain lies like a sociopath. As for tax cuts, he voted against them.


67 posted on 06/26/2008 6:33:29 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Dante3

He was against them before he was for them.


68 posted on 06/26/2008 7:14:23 PM PDT by Checkers (McCain: "Hillary Clinton would make a good President.")
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To: CharlesWayneCT
McCain is no more on the amnesty push than Bush. And McCain won’t have McCain in the Senate. So how do you think it will be easier for McCain than it was for Bush?

I don't know how you come to the conclusion that McCain "is no more on the amnesty push than Bush." For us immigration activists, McCain is called the "Amnesty King." He is much more seized with the idea of amnesty than Bush and has invested more time and effort in making it happen.

The Dems control Congress and will more than likely increase that control in 2008. There are plenty of RINOs in the Senate who voted for amnesty in 2006. I don't have any doubt that an amnesty bill [probably disguised as something else] will sail thru the Seante. The House will be tougher mainly due to blue dog Dems like Heath Shuler who is trying to get Pelosi to allow the SAVE Act to be voted upon. McCain in the WH would try to pressure House Reps to pass a bill. They would be more susceptible to pressure from McCain than Obama. And the Dems want to put a bipartisan veneer on the legislation, which eventually will cause a firestorm among the public. By that time, the country will be finished.

69 posted on 06/26/2008 10:02:53 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Dante3
Did McCain ever give a reason why he objected to English as our official language?

John McCain, Multiculturalist Immigration is just one problem.

70 posted on 06/26/2008 10:06:42 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Unless we stupidly stay home and teach republicans a lesson, I don’t see how pro-amnesty gets 60 votes in the senate to overcome a filibuster.

Nor do I see any indication that the pro-amnesty forces will suddenly turn AGAINST amnesty simply because Obama is the PResident.

And while I’m certain with Obama the people will blame democrats for the problems of amnesty, in fact I doubt the people will ever really see the problem of amnesty, so I don’t think there will be a backlash. And with McCain taking point in the Senate, republicans will get blamed as well.

If Obama wasn’t more pro-amnesty, and less border security, than McCain, I could at least understand the hope that he would act differently. But I don’t buy the notion that, if republicans don’t even show up to vote for the president, somehow that will make republicans in the senate stand up to a president Obama.


71 posted on 06/27/2008 6:07:39 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Unless we stupidly stay home and teach republicans a lesson, I don’t see how pro-amnesty gets 60 votes in the senate to overcome a filibuster.

In the 2006 amnesty bill [S 2611] that passed in a Rep controlled senate, the vote was 62-36 with two not voting. The Dems and Independent voted 39-4 FOR it and the Reps voted 32-23 AGAINST it. Since 2006, the Reps lost or will lose the following senators who voted against the bill: Allard [retiring], Allen, Burns, Lott, Talent, and Thomas [died in office]. You can bet that RINOs like Specter, Snowe, Collins, Coleman [if he survives], Martinez, Specter, Smith, Lugar, Graham, Brownback, and Voinovich will vote for cloture along with the Dems now in Congress.

Nor do I see any indication that the pro-amnesty forces will suddenly turn AGAINST amnesty simply because Obama is the PResident.

The RINOs are the ones on the fence. A McCain victory will stiffen their spines in the belief that there is no political price to be paid if you are for amnesty, i.e., legalizing the status of those already here. If McCain loses, the RINOs will find it easier to fight against amnesty.

And while I’m certain with Obama the people will blame democrats for the problems of amnesty, in fact I doubt the people will ever really see the problem of amnesty, so I don’t think there will be a backlash.

You obviously don't understand the issue. An amnesty will destroy the country and no amount of spin from the Dems and MSM can hide the elephant in the room. An amnesty not only legalizes the status of the 12 to 20 million illegals already here, it allows them to sponsor another 66 million to 100 million more LEGAL immigrants over a 20 year period [on top of the current 1.2 million legal immigrants who enter annually] who will enter via chain migration, i.e., family reunification.

We can't assimilate those kinds of numbers. Even without amnesty, we will have a nation approaching one-half a billion by 2050, mainly due to immigration. The Pew Research Center and the Bureau of the Census estimates that by 2050, the Hispanic population will be 29% and 25% of the total population respectively without amnesty. This is up from 1% in 1965 and 16% today. These demographic changes will ensure that the Dems are the permanent majority party. It also brings into question whether the US can retain a shared national identity and not be Balkanized along cultural and linguistic lines.

The Republicans’ Hispanic Delusion Amnesty is not just wrong in principle, it’s bad politics

If Obama wasn’t more pro-amnesty, and less border security, than McCain, I could at least understand the hope that he would act differently.

There isn't a dime's worth of difference between the two on those issues. You will see that when both address La Raza next month. They will try to outpander one another.

Poll: Voters Unaware of Candidates’ Immigration Positions; McCain Supporters Farthest Off the Mark

But I don’t buy the notion that, if republicans don’t even show up to vote for the president, somehow that will make republicans in the senate stand up to a president Obama.

As someone who has been lobbying on the Hill the past several years on this issue, I couldn't disagree more. Amnesty will pass easily in the Senate. The battle will be in the House.

72 posted on 06/27/2008 7:12:47 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
These demographic changes will ensure that the Dems are the permanent majority party. It also brings into question whether the US can retain a shared national identity and not be Balkanized along cultural and linguistic lines.

The problem with that is that a lot of people don't see that as a problem. They don't see republican losses as a problem. The more we sell this as a "we need to stop amnesty or democrats will have a permanent majority", the more likely it is that democrats will come out to vote for amnesty.

73 posted on 06/27/2008 7:34:09 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
The more we sell this as a "we need to stop amnesty or democrats will have a permanent majority",

That argument is directed at Reps who support amnesty. This problem cuts across partisan lines. It affects or drives every major challenge facing this country, e.g., energy costs, infrastructure needs, entitlement programs, education, health care, taxes, wages, etc.

An unholy alliance of the Chamber of Commerce, the Dems, labor union leaders, the Catholic Church, ethnic groups like La Raza, the ACLU, and the MSM have enormous resources to push amnesty thru. Many of the politicians are bought and paid for. Robert Bennett, Larry Craig, and other Rep politicians are responding to their corporate masters.

The Chamber of Commerce is funding legal suits against states like Oklahoma and AZ to stop the crackdown on businesses hiring illegals. We just suffered a major setback in the House with Chairman Price pushing thru limitations on DHS funding of 287 [g]. The effect will be to place the emphasis on immigration enforcement to criminal aliens and away from business crackdowns. Despite the loss of 2007, Dems and some Reps are still trying to implement amnesty piecemeal thru such vehicles as the Dream Act, the Ag act, and the Baca amendment.

I am not optimistic about our chances of stopping amnesty. The American public remains woefully ignorant about what is happening and the MSM and the political class like it that way. If an amnesty passes, this country is finished with a stroke of a pen. That's what is at stake.

74 posted on 06/27/2008 8:13:55 AM PDT by kabar
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