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Modesty refuses to allow me to say which one...
Posted on 06/21/2008 5:13:52 PM PDT by The_Republican
Anything to slam to doers. The talkers can eat shi#
Modesty refuses to allow me to say which one...
I agree that the AF is dragging their feet on using drones to fight the terrorist in Afghanistan and Iraq, but the F22 is needed.
We have to be prepared not only for the war we are waging but the next war we might wage.
History has proved that owning the air wins wars. Having the best fighters makes owning the air over the battlefield much easier.
Sure. Lets get rid of all our fighters and bombers. Satellites, UAVs, Airlift, and Tankers is all we need. Then when we lose Air Supremacy in a future war, these clowns will be the first to finger point.
And just who was it that forced the changes at DoD after 9/11?
Now the AF wants only pilot qualified officers ‘flying’ UAVs. Period. Everybody else gets enlisted to sit in front of consoles. The Army like the Marines should get it's own ground support and transport aircraft. Let the AF plan for China, Mars invasion, whatever.
We are not going to deal successfull with Iran when the time comes, and it will come, with counterinsurgency weapons and tactics. The longer we put off the confrontation the more the big stuff will be necessary.
Don’t be modest. I started my military life as an enlisted Marine and retired as an AF officer. The Marines have always been more adaptable but the big difference is that in the early 90s the Marines didn’t allow a bunch of adolescent-minded fighter pilots to take over the majority of it’s operations like the AF did.
In case you don’t know, we Marines have our own air power.
It may be true that the F22 has not flown a mission in Iraq but then the F22 entered service long after the active war in Iraq was over. So why send an air combat superiority fighter to Iraq.
But the air force has hardly been missing in action in Iraq. Here are a few articles that say as much. The anti-war crowd is much more verbose and I am not above using them to make my point so a few of the articles are by them.
Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait in August 1990, led to a 40 day war in 1991 between Iraq and a coalition of 39 nations, led by the United States. The U.S. and allies, including a coalition of Arab nations, flew 120,000 sorties over Iraq, dropped over one million bombs in Iraqi territory and initiated a speedy land attack, which directly led to Iraq’s surrender.
Between the wars
The Pentagon says that nearly 280,000 sorties have been flown over the areas by American and British planes in the almost decade-long period of enforcing the no-fly order.
Before the war insiders argued that sooner or later it would be necessary to attack, because the U.S. Air Force was being "strained" by its daily sorties over Iraq's no-fly zones.
The 438th Air Expeditionary Group A-10s perform 10 sorties daily providing top cover for ground forces in Iraq, with 900 sorties in this last four months.
A-10 provides top cover for troops in Iraq
With two days of sandstorms finally over, allied warplanes flew 1,500 sorties against targets in north and south Iraq yesterday, while coalition troops resumed their march north to Baghdad.
I have the utmost respect for Marines, past and present.
However, talk to any tactical commander on the ground in-theater and you’ll hear the same thing: their tactics are straight out of 1944.
The Marines have one hell of a lot of growing up to do; courage certainly isn’t their problem.
I do know of some air assets. Not enough to ensure dominance in the air. Don’t forget about AF satellites.
What on earth have you been reading?
you have no idea what you are talking about. I am a Marine with 4 tours to Iraq. Our tactics have changed several times since I have been in - hard painful lessons. And no, we don’t just walk in a skirmishers formation like they did in WWII.
Furthermore, on the 1944 tactics you speak of? The Marine Corps was set up for amphibious ops. Island Hopping Campaigns........ that sounds a lot like desert ops, counter insurgency, and Urban fighting to me. /sarc
The Marines blast initial entry, kill a bunch of people and leave; the Army does the occupying. If Marines were meant to occupy, we’d be the Army. This is the first time in history the USMC has been tasked with holding territory (Al Anbar Province, Iraq) for extended periods of time while not fighting an actual conventional military. And, you forget the Marines were on their way home in ‘03 and got called right back, because certain other branches couldn’t hold it. You’ll also notice we are back in Trashcanistan as well.
If you can do better and feel more growing up is needed - grab a rifle and follow me out the door next time because as far as our AO is concerned “All quiet on the Western Front.”
one more thing, I’ll let you look up maneuver warfare and distributive operations as compared to attrition style warfare.
You've been drinking way too much zoomie kool-aid.
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