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US energy chief says 'speculators' not forcing up oil prices (Pelosi, where's the lower gas prices?)
afp ^ | 6/21/2008 | AFP

Posted on 06/21/2008 4:22:57 PM PDT by tobyhill

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To: NRG1973
Those are U.S.-only numbers.

Check the IEA (International Energy Agency) figures. They have figures for global oil demand. That is where I got my figures.

The demand in China and India will be effected by the decline in subsidies. The IEA has already adjusted estimates due to this change.

Also, inventories mean little if demand is dropping (as it is in the U.S.).

It is true that demand for oil is not highly elastic, but it is ultimately elastic, like demand for anything. It's just that the changes occur more gradually.

We have heard all this stuff before, incidentally. I think we were supposed to run out of oil by 1980.

41 posted on 06/21/2008 5:37:13 PM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: allmost

Isn’t that from the country where the young fellow stuck his finger in a dike?


42 posted on 06/21/2008 5:39:21 PM PDT by Portcall24
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To: B Knotts

The USA is the world’s top oil consumer...with inventories dropping 14% in one year, commodities traders are correct to bid up the price for crude oil.

I’vve seen some inventory numbers from the UK ( about a month ago) and oil inventories were down about 10% at that time. The UK’s oil production is in severe decline so dropping inventories would make sense.


43 posted on 06/21/2008 5:41:16 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: Portcall24

I thought it was his thumb...


44 posted on 06/21/2008 5:44:55 PM PDT by allmost
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To: B Knotts
We have heard all this stuff before, incidentally. I think we were supposed to run out of oil by 1980.

We aren't running out of oil now...we simply aren't producing enough of it. The reasons are many: Ten years ago the crude oil was selling at $9.00 per barrel...so producers failed to invest in more production and now oil demand is higher. Also, 10 years ago, the Kyoto Protocol convince many oil producers (Norway most specifically) that oil consumption would be lower...they didn't invest in new production and oil demand is now higher. Additionally, Hugo Chavez took over Venezuela in 1998 and his oil policies ahve been an abomination. Oil production in that country has dropped from 3.5 million bpd to 2.5 million bpd. Then there is the incompetency of national oil companies. They are lazy and inefficient. Hell could freeze over waiting for them to bring on more production.

We have plenty of oil on this planet...we just need to start drilling for of it.

45 posted on 06/21/2008 5:52:08 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: mysterio
regulations aren't going to do anything

Sooner or later we always regulate monopolies because the incentive for misbehavior when we don't is irresistible. The board and officers owe their fiduciary responsibility to shareholders, not consumers. When telephones were a monopoly we regulated them. We regulate utilities, and for a reason.

Economists have always recognized the need to regulate monopolies.

46 posted on 06/21/2008 5:52:13 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
Sooner or later we always regulate monopolies because the incentive for misbehavior when we don't is irresistible. The board and officers owe their fiduciary responsibility to shareholders, not consumers. When telephones were a monopoly we regulated them. We regulate utilities, and for a reason.

Economists have always recognized the need to regulate monopolies.

If we over-regulate crude oil trading on the NYMEX then traders will simply make their transactions on a foreign exchange. Oil trading is done on many exchanges in many countries.

If the crude oil prices on the NYMEX are incorrect, one has to wonder why oil producers and oil refiners are agreeing to use them. It would be simple for OPEC sellers and importers to discount crude oil prices if they think they are out-of-whack. But the contracts between those two parties are continuing to use those benchmark prices because, despite the rhetoric in the media, they know they are close to being correct.

47 posted on 06/21/2008 6:00:25 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: NRG1973

I don’t think that we shouldn’t exploit our own oil resources. As long as we are devoting the manpower to replacing oil that we would be if it were $30 a gallon. We didn’t heed the warning in the 70s. This might be our last warning.


48 posted on 06/21/2008 6:00:54 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: B Knotts
if oil is still cheaper than the alternatives.

If oil becomes cheaper than the alternative, the industry making the alternative works to make it cheaper. And then the price of oil drops as it competes with the alternative.

Or we could have a choice between oil and oil and pay $140 to $200 a barrel. Or $500 a barrel.

Competition is key.
49 posted on 06/21/2008 6:03:09 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: AndyJackson
Economists have always recognized the need to regulate monopolies.

I have no problem with breaking up monopolies, but I see no way to break up a commodity.

We should be working as a nation on an alternative that we can make right here at home, IMHO.
50 posted on 06/21/2008 6:04:41 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: NRG1973

$10,000 minimum to even start investing in the exchange.


51 posted on 06/21/2008 6:04:54 PM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: mysterio
I don’t think that we shouldn’t exploit our own oil resources. As long as we are devoting the manpower to replacing oil that we would be if it were $30 a gallon. We didn’t heed the warning in the 70s. This might be our last warning.

Well, if we don't increase our own oil production then how were you planning to build a non-petroleum based energy infrastructure? Are you aware that we currently produce only 33% of the oil we consume. Without adding more oil production, we will produce only 25% of the oil we consume by 2018.

52 posted on 06/21/2008 6:05:27 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: tobyhill
$10,000 minimum to even start investing in the exchange.

To the people who invest in commodities, $10,000 is a drop-in-the bucket.

Be cognizant that crude oil is traded on many exchanges in many countries. If we make it too difficult to trade on the NYMEX then traders will simply trade on another exchange.

53 posted on 06/21/2008 6:08:21 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: NRG1973
If the crude oil prices on the NYMEX are incorrect, one has to wonder why oil producers and oil refiners are agreeing to use them. It would be simple for OPEC sellers and importers to discount crude oil prices if they think they are out-of-whack

Who discounts his prices when they are "out of whack high?"

54 posted on 06/21/2008 6:09:08 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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Who discounts his prices when they are "out of whack high?" And who signs the contract to buy the oil if they think its "out of whack high"? Remember, it takes two to make a deal...a seller and a BUYER.
55 posted on 06/21/2008 6:11:19 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: NRG1973
who signs the contract to buy the oil if they think its "out of whack high"?

Take your first grade economics elsewhere. We have already remarked on the inelasticity of oil demand. If you don't know what the term means go back and play in your kindergarten.

56 posted on 06/21/2008 6:29:34 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

A monopoly cannot exist if the government doesn’t legislate it into existence.

Name me one monopoly that wasn’t backed by a government.


57 posted on 06/21/2008 6:42:44 PM PDT by nicola_tesla ("Life is Tough... It's Worse When You're Stupid".... John Wayne)
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To: NRG1973
Well, if we don't increase our own oil production then how were you planning to build a non-petroleum based energy infrastructure?

Actually, I did state that we should do so. However, my double negative-addled awkward sentence that began the post is easy to misinterpret. My mother the English teacher would not approve of my sentence structure in this case : "I don’t think that we shouldn’t exploit our own oil resources."
58 posted on 06/21/2008 6:45:28 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: tobyhill
" US Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman said on Saturday that speculators were not forcing up global oil prices, which nearly hit 140 dollars per barrel this week. "
Ok Folks,is this the official statement on our energy problem ? ....
The people have it right, if supply is low " DRILL FOR MORE OIL ON OUR OWN SOIL !!! "
Can't have it or say is both ways, either it's the speculators, or it's the supply.
59 posted on 06/21/2008 7:55:19 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: alloysteel

A forced recession or depression ?


60 posted on 06/21/2008 7:58:49 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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