The only good thing is I fixed my you tube.
Posted on 06/09/2008 9:31:36 AM PDT by Rebelbase
“Win or lose I’m looking fo9r a real, viable alternative to the GOP. A congressional conservative caucus would be a good palce to start.”
This already exists. It is called the Republican Study Group:
http://www.house.gov/hensarling/rsc/
Of course 100% of its members are Republicans, so cutting down or disparaging the GOP is hardly a way to give encouragement to these people. What WOULD help is to get those conservative districts that currently SHOULD have conservative Republicans but right now have Democrats, a bit of a shove in the conservative direction - with money, support, etc. for the GOP candidate.
Again I ask, is the 'falcon party' registered as a political party or is it a blog?
I was about the say those very same things about McCain, especially the part about what his “real intentions are.”
At least, for Conservatives actually having the ambition to do something constructive to fix what has become so wrong with the GOP, is what is important. And continuing to support the GOP only magnifies the problem as well as the difficulty to fix it later. It needs to be torn down and rebuilt.
Just because they don’t stick with a well known party name, does not render them invalid. The Principles are the same and our entire country was originally founded in just that way.
I think that bird has flown!!
I’m not an insider and I don’t care one whit. I hAave a splitting headache and your getting on my last nerve. Don’t be offended because I’m in a bitchy mood - this too shall pass.
I’m no longer a Republican so I think it would be a good thing if the liberal Republicans who run the party are wiped out in November. If they are, there is a chance that conservatives could take over the party and resurrect it.
Preach it! Amen!
I thought a virtue of conservative belief was a belief in individual responsibility, a can-do belief that we can use our freedom to make this a better world. We have the socialist Obama trying to sound like Reagan, channelling his optimism (albeit to build socialism), and the wimps that call themselves consrevatives are whining about how the world doesnt just up and give them everything they desire. They are ready to stockpile food and ammo?!? Huh? Since when did you get what you want staying home on election day? Since when did we ever have politicians give us 100% of what we want? I dont recall that time, and it must be faulty memory that is making some think there ever was such a time.
The suicide conservatives who welcome Obama's election and refuse to do a d***-useful thing to stop the advance of socialism - you know, like even say a kind word about the many conservative GOP candidates running - well, they are becoming like the self-hating Jews, they bash their 70%-friends but never criticize their 100%-enemies. They are getting as tiresome as the Obama-manaical media.
It's time to get out of the gutter of disappointment, despair and fatalism. We CAN make the world a better place, not next year but NOW. We CAN do it by finding people we believe in to support. They ARE running in many races and if you deny it, you are uninformed. I can give you names. If you are a conservative, support the many conservatives running for Congress THIS YEAR ... and we wont have a bad year after all. IT'S UP TO YOU.
Disparaging and mocking a pointless dead-end activity that will do nothing to help the conservative cause is probably doing you a great favor in the long run.
If you want to help make a Major Party more conservative, join Club for Growth, NFRA, or turn the “Falcons” into a GOP-oriented club that knocks off RINOs in primaries and/or recruits conservatives to run as candidates.
Otherwise, you’ve created yet another 1% purist 3rd party that will go nowhere and accomplish nothing. You’re sending conservative activists over the cliff.
“As will I. We have had some amazing candidates come out of the party at all levels here in Iowa, and we are seeing Republican involvement in the grassroots like never before. It’s time to take back the party from ground up.”
This is good to hear. I too sense a bit more engagement than 2006 in our area, when things just were dead. I think the smart conservatives are looking at *all the races* and not jut presidential. In fact, with a non-conservative Presidential candidate, it helps to focus on those local, state and Congressional races *more*.
I count myself in league with those who will not vote for McCain in November. I'm also no longer a member of the Republican Party. I didn't leave them (McCain and the Republicans), they left me. They no longer represent what I believe to be good statesmanship and government.
I'm not whining, however. Nor am I welcoming Obama's election. You want someone who isn't doing anything? Try McCain. He's NOT holding to sound conservative principles. He's NOT trying to shore up his conservative base before enticing moderates and liberals. He's NOT showing good governance with his stances on amnesty and cap-and-trade policies. That's not whining; that's the facts.
Nor am I whining when I say McCain must show me he'll represent the principles I hold dear before I vote for him. It's my vote. No one owns it. No one ever will. I will NOT give it to anyone just because of party affiliation; at least never again. Those days are over.
You can call me every name in the book. I don't care. Unless your hero proves to me he's worthy of my vote he will not get it. And come November, should he fail to win the election, don't come running back to me with all your complaints. The responsibility will rest with only one man: John McCain.
Do you, in all your misguided thinking, believe that voting for a man simply because he's the least of two evils is "doing something" for conservativism? Do you? Are you really that far from reality?
We already are crushed. Many are in denial, and think McManiac will save us.
If the Dems sweep the elections we will a concerted attempt to nationalize the economy with gasoline rationing (or taxed so high as to be the same thing), rolling electrical blackouts, massive business failures, and streams of urbanites fleeing the collapsing cities. A good time to be ready to defend your home and family.
Uh, labor has been in power for 10 years and the elections you cite are local not parliamentary elections.
In the meantime, damage was done. Britain is a shadow of its former imperial self, due to a century of socialism.
Obama in power might beget a backlash *or* it might beget so much economic malaise that, like the Great Depression, the people keep voting for more socialism.
I dont think its worth sending USA down the toilet just to fix a problem with too many moderates in the GOP leadership.
The only good thing is I fixed my you tube.
True.
But then the Conservatives under Margaret Thatcher and John Major, were in power for to the tune of NINETEEN(19) years before Labour finally took power under Tony Blair. Even so, Tony Blair only gained power by purging the Labour Party of the loonly left, and moving to the center.
As for the recent massive Labour losses being in the local elections, its a forgone conclusion(by every single poll out there), that the Conservatives will blow Labour out of the water in the next general elections.
The only thing Gordon Brown can do is hold off the next elections for as long as possible. It's not going to save him though. The Labour party currently has the lowest poll rating of any party since records started being kept.
I am voting for the best person to lead the country.
Party is not the issue, the issue is whether you are voting for the country or for some other secondary reasons.
Even though I have voted 98% for Republicans, I only vote when they really are better than the Democrats. They almost always are. This year is no different, even with McCain v Obama.
Do you think for a second it is even a close contest between McCain or Obama in terms of who is best for the country? A man who served USA in many capacities his whole life, knows the military, knows how to fight the GWOT, etc. versus a man who is raised on marxist leftwing ideology and activism and has zero accomplishments and radical associates?
Are you really that far from reality to think it would be okay to let Obama win?
Do you think conservative ideals live or die based on who is in the White House? Do you really think we are neutered with mcCain moderate in the White House but are in great shape if media-beloved leftist Obama wins? (Actually, I think conservative marginalization will be greater in the latter case as the political ground shifts massively left.) Are you really that far from reality? No matter WHO wins, the fight goes on for our issues.
“Do you, in all your misguided thinking, believe that voting for a man simply because he’s the least of two evils is “doing something” for conservatism.”
Well I know this much: the ‘lesser of two evils’ aint a great way to vote, but its the choice we have and it beats the “greater of two evils” method by a long shot!!
I didnt pick McCain as the nominee. Would you be saying this - “They no longer represent what I believe to be good statesmanship and government.” - if Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter were the nominee? Since when do you judge a 150-year-old political party with tens of millions of members, and thousands of candidates this year under the banner, by the outcome of a single primary? One that occurred that way for the obvious reason that there was no unifying conservatives candidate to defeat McCain (I wanted it to be Romney but it was not to be)? It seems churlish. Attacking the whole GOP over McCain is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
“Unless your hero proves to me he’s worthy of my vote he will not get it. And come November, should he fail to win the election, don’t come running back to me with all your complaints.” Your unwillingness to take responsibility for the consequences of what you are doing is proving that you know it has bad consequences. rest assured, voters are responsible for who they elect, and suffer accordingly; you will bear responsibility for the Obama tax hikes that I and you will have to pay, and the other ill effects of an Obama administration. It’s not a conservative thing to fail to accept responsibility for one’s actions.
PS. Nobody disagrees with this: “Nor am I whining when I say McCain must show me he’ll represent the principles I hold dear before I vote for him. It’s my vote. No one owns it.”
It’s your vote and your conscience. This is all just ‘food for thought’.
“But then the Conservatives under Margaret Thatcher and John Major, were in power for to the tune of NINETEEN(19) years before Labour finally took power under Tony Blair. Even so, Tony Blair only gained power by purging the Labour Party of the loonly left, and moving to the center.”
And in response to Blair’s success, Cameron moved the Tory’s to the center. This is why it is a bit nutty for the conservatives to think Obama’s victory would help the conservative cause. To the contrary, it would shift the whole political center to the left. McCain would be the ‘right wing’ minority and Obama the ‘left wing’ majority.
McCain’s victory would be mixed blessing for conservatives, but ONE GREAT thing about it would be that the obits on Obama’s campaign would be: “He was too liberal.” As such, it would get the Democrats to move back from leftist liberalism. Just like they had to do after 1984 and 1988.
Another irony: Bush had to contend with liberal/leftist rulers in most of Western Europe. They are all flipping conservative, except Spain. If it’s Obama, he will be the most leftwing major power leader!
Mccain may lose the election but that's just one battle. The war for conservatism in this blessed wonderful big country of ours will continue on.
“Note: My point is for everyone to be cautious of every little blog that claims to be something. You don’t know their intentions or source. It is easy for anyone to claim to start an alternative party simply by putting up a website. Why hook your wagon to something based on a blog? “
Their intentions are noble, but we’ve seen this before - it won’t go anywhere, even if it is a real party and not just a blog-vision of one.
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