Posted on 06/07/2008 3:51:13 AM PDT by wintertime
Until the Baptists figure out a way to get money and build schools for their kids - the same complaints will echo the airwaves and the internet forever.
Start small - pre-Kindegarten, Kindergarten etc. are financially less onerous than K-8.
Where does all that tithed income go to in the baptist world?
I just went back to see what you said, I would have to concur with you in what you have said, even though I've ranted and raved about some of those home schoolers. But I will admit I am not in any big hurry to side with those home schooling people that want to totally condemn the public schools and rant and rave on FR on how everyone should pull there kids out of public school.
As far as Baptists go, I'm not a Baptist either, I'm don't follow their school of theology of both the liberal and conservative sides of the Southern Baptists, but that would be for another discussion of which this thread isn't.
Never the less I will admit that I just couldn't pass on not taking a little bit of liberty to poke fun of the Baptists and there predicament and to keep with the original subject of the thread, it was meant for fun not to really get into ones subjective opinion of theology even though it might of appear to do that.
I'd like to jump in on this one (no pun, well, maybe a little,intended). I had a seminary professor who answered the question, "Do you object to pouring or sprinkling?" in this way, "Not if you pour or sprinkle enough."
Seriously, this question is a good illustration of the need for expositiory preaching in our churches. The word "baptism" or "baptize." is simply the transliteration of the Greek word, "baptismos" and "baptidzo." At the time of the translation of the King James Version of the Bible(1611) there was a controversy over the mode of baptism. In order to avoid any confrontation on the matter, the translators just transliterated the word and left it at that. And we are still arguing about the mode of baptism. The meaning of the Greek word is, "to dip or immerse." Controversy over. As to the issue of baptism taking the place of circumcision as a sing of a person being in covenant relationship with God, this argument fails by not realizing or recognizing the difference between Israel and the Church.
The question is one of having enough money, space, or knowhow to start schools. Ministers could and can start school if they wanted. Minister do NOT want to start parochial schools.
Few ministers are willing to offend the government school employees in sitting in the pews. Remember please that if children leave the government schools this is an immediate and direct threat to the **jobs** of his parishioners. Starting parochial schools threatens the livelihood of the members and makes them mad.
If Bruce Shortt is going to be successful with his Exodus Mandate he will need to look for help among the grassroots members. He isn't going to get much assistance from ministers.
Where does all that tithed income go to in the baptist world?
It isn't going to save the souls of their children. Canoe trips, roasting marshmallows, and singing Kumbaya isn't going to cut it.
All Christians should recognize that their **most** important mission field is their **own** children. The next most important are the souls of the children of their congregation. Once these needs are fully and completely met then they can direct their attention elsewhere.
” With today’s technology, it is possible to give children and excellent education with very little money. Instead of brick and mortar, Prussian military-style schools we should look instead to dame schools, mini and micro-schools, homeschool cooperatives, one room school houses, and tutoring centers.
Christians, if you want your children growing up in the faith don’t try to bet the odds. Give your child, and the children of your congregation the best chance possible to grow in the light of the Lord. The best chances are **NOT** found in our atheistic, secular humanist, Marxist dominated government schools.”
Blah, blah, blah, same old hyperbole. Still can’t acknowledge WHO let the schools get in the shape they’re in can you?
The above should read:
The question is **NOT** one of having enough money, space, or knowhow to start schools. **Ministers** could, and can, start **schools** if they wanted. **Ministers** do NOT want to start parochial schools.
Spreading around blame is not helping children.
It is time for Christians to pick up the cross and solve the problem. Rescue the children. Do it! Do it now! Get the children out of the atheistic, communist dominated government indoctrination camps.
“snort”
There's plenty of evidence, from 60, 70 and more years ago, that standard Catholic teaching in the US was that, if a Catholic parent sent their child to a public school when it was financially and otherwise possible to send them to a Catholic school, they were sinning. As in, "sinning mortally". As in, "going to hell unless they repent and change their ways". That Catholic parent could be a butcher, a baker, or a public school teacher; it didn't matter.
Of course, the preeminent fear in the bishops' minds in those days was Protestantism, which was the de facto religion, even in public schools, until Madalyn Murray O'Hair. (Anybody here old enough to remember "attend the church of your choice" ads on TV?)
These days, worrying about Catholic kids in public schools being converted into Protestants sounds like some sort of fairytale ... like another world.
It does seem like a different world. Doesn't it? Today, parents are justified in worrying that their children will be converted to the atheistic Marxism preached in the government schools.
When my Protestant father married my Catholic mother, 73 years ago, the parish priest insisted that my father sign a pledge affirming that all children would be raised Catholic and educated in Catholic schools. My father abided by that contract.
I attended Catholic schools until the 10th grade. We moved to Wilmington, Delaware, and there were no Catholic schools within the reach of public transportation.
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