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Crane Collapse In Manhattan
foxny ^ | 05/30/08 | foxny

Posted on 05/30/2008 5:44:39 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3

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To: Roccus

There have been conflicting reports on when the last jump was. Some early reports said it was last night, but at least one of those reports (in the NY Daily News) has now been changed to read that the last jump was 3 days ago. Re an inspector being present at the most recent jump, see http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/30/crane-collapses-on-upper-east-side/#comment-331534

“At a news conference led by Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and Gov. David A. Paterson, the acting commissioner of the New York City Department of Buildings, Robert LiMandri, gave a summary of the inspection history involving the crane. The news conference ended around 11:45 a.m. A meeting was held on April 17 with the developer, the construction company, the crane operator and city officials, Mr. LiMandri said. On April 20 and 21, the crane was erected, with Buildings Department inspectors on the scene to inspect the process. The crane was then jumped – lengthened – twice, on May 22 and May 27. Each time, Buildings Department engineers were present.” [snip] The mayor added that there was “no reason to believe at the moment” that anybody was still trapped in the building that sustained the most damage. Mr. Bloomberg continued: We will release later today all of the records of any complaints about the buildings and any stop-work orders. A crane was stepped over the weekend. They were fully in compliance with building regulations. They did have on-site a building inspector and it was done properly. The sweep that we did of all the cranes in the city after the last crane collapse, on the East Side in the 50s, did not include this crane because this crane hadn’t been erected at that time. But the first examination of the records indicates that this crane was inspected and installed and stepped in compliance with regulations… So we don’t know why the top just snapped off.”


121 posted on 05/30/2008 10:20:49 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: RetSignman

my point exactly, guido controls all those cranes and the NYC construction industry in general. Just ask Trump


122 posted on 05/30/2008 10:22:27 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: GovernmentShrinker

The list of complaints are at the link in my post #88

You will note that there are complaints for “Illegal night work” going back a ways.

I heard on Fox that the requirement that an inspector be present during jumps and moves was rescinded just two days ago.


123 posted on 05/30/2008 10:28:31 AM PDT by Roccus (The "P" in Democrat stands for Patriotism!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

From the link you gave me

It’s clear we need to be far more strict and crack down on any unsafe construction sites, and its clear we need more inspectors, still. When a violation is issued, disciplinary action must follow. Just two days ago the city decided that inspectors will no longer be present every time a construction crane is being erected or made taller, an emergency provision put in place following the last major accident. This move by the D.O.B., tightening restrictions following a catastrophe, and then relaxing them as soon as the smoke clears, was likely premature.


124 posted on 05/30/2008 10:34:40 AM PDT by Roccus (The "P" in Democrat stands for Patriotism!)
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To: Roccus

I expect that emergency provision will be back in force before 5PM today.


125 posted on 05/30/2008 10:43:29 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Horse....barn door....Hey, it’s Fun City!


126 posted on 05/30/2008 10:47:35 AM PDT by Roccus (The "P" in Democrat stands for Patriotism!)
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To: Roccus

There’s a big difference between random complaints from the public about noise and other non-critical problems, and the structural unsoundness of a huge tower-mounted crane. Keep in mind that a lot of the complainers are longtime renters in the immediate vicinity, who harbor the socialist notion that they have a right to continue living in the neighborhood indefinitely without any changes that they don’t like, and without an influx of those pesky rich people who buy “luxury” apartments.

When Stuyvesant Village was lawfully sold to a private company, there was a rash of lawsuits from longtime renters, and some of the media interviews with them were telling. I literally heard one woman whining to a reporter about how the courts really needed to stop this because it would destroy her community and cause unwanted people to start moving in, “you know, rich, Republican” — she actually said this in a taped interview! These people will jump at every chance to call in a complaint, no matter how insignificant.

I’m sure there are also inspector-originated citations that are rooted in a desire to extract bribes — lots of corruption in this industry. Not that there aren’t also some legitimate complaints, but I haven’t seen any that looked like cause for concern over a potential structural failure of the building or crane, are that are unusual in type and number for any large construction site in the city.

What I find most worrisome and suspicious is the fact that this crane was operated by the same company that operated the one in the March collapse. You have to think that even just for purely selfish purposes, the company management would be pulling out all the stops to prevent another crane accident, even a minor one. I can’t imagine this company or will be able to get insurance for its business in the future, nor will the senior managers/owners be able to get insurance for a similar business set up under another name and corporate entity. Insurance underwriters aren’t stupid. One crane company with 2 catastrophic failures inside of 3 months, both with fatalities and huge amounts of damage to neighboring properties, is no way insurable.


127 posted on 05/30/2008 10:59:01 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Did you see the reports of operating without permit, working at night, operating in an unsafe manner? Granted there are always complainers and inspectors can always find something wrong, but the number of partial and full stop-work orders issued by the DOB lead me to believe things weren't exactly kosher.
128 posted on 05/30/2008 11:16:07 AM PDT by Roccus (Tribal name; Vegetarian...Native American for "bad hunter")
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To: GovernmentShrinker
...If the cab and boom were not toppled off the base by overloading, then it is a structural failure or a maintenance defect...If the crane is fairly old, as being reported, my guess would run with improper maintenance of some type.

Again, not at all similar to the crane collapse in March, although the resulting death, injury and property damage is awful in either case.

129 posted on 05/30/2008 11:31:13 AM PDT by never4get (We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid)
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To: Roccus
The inspector in the March incident was arrested for falsifying inspections. Not sure of the final go down on that. The Buildings Commishioner was fired.

Wow. Was he not even inspecting cranes but just signing off on it? My stereotype of that area is that he could have easily been paid off while somebody was trying to do a construction job cheap and fast, but that's just a stereotype.
130 posted on 05/30/2008 11:46:16 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: papasmurf
I pass this huge crane each morning on my way to work. Looked carefully today and it appears that the operator's cab is at the top of the crane - where the horizontal part meets the upright.

Is this usual?

131 posted on 05/30/2008 11:51:03 AM PDT by Churchillspirit
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To: af_vet_rr

...and of course we all know that there is no truth in stereotypes. /s


132 posted on 05/30/2008 11:53:14 AM PDT by Roccus (Tribal name; Vegetarian...Native American for "bad hunter")
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To: never4get

Not similar, except for being operated by the same company. That just looks suspicious to me. After the March collapse, you’d expect that company to be the MOST vigilant about inspecting their equipment and adhering to their safety procedures.


133 posted on 05/30/2008 12:02:33 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Roccus

From what I recall reading after the March collapse, that sort of litany of complaints and citations and partial stop-work orders is totally routine. You practically need a permit to hammer in a nail in this city. On a construction site of this scale, at any given moment there are probably literally hundreds of different permits that are required. Complaints about working at night sound very likely to be neighborhood residents who call the minute construction noise goes past the official stop time. In many cases, it’s probably much safer to finish a task in progress than to strictly adhere to the stop time.


134 posted on 05/30/2008 12:06:13 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Well, maybe you're right. Maybe one of the complaining neighbors climbed up to the turntable and sabotaged it.
135 posted on 05/30/2008 12:08:58 PM PDT by Roccus (Tribal name; Vegetarian...Native American for "bad hunter")
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To: Churchillspirit

Where else would the cab be? The operator needs to be up top so he can see what he’s doing, and he can’t be out on the lifting end of the crane because 1) it would difficult to get there, and 2) again, he wouldn’t be able to see what he was doing, as the load and its pick-up and drop-off points would be underneath him.


136 posted on 05/30/2008 12:10:02 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Roccus

Not likely :-) I just don’t think there’s any connection between the complaints and citations, and the failure of this crane. If there was sabotage involved, it would most likely be by a disgruntled former crane operator, or a competitor for this company’s crane business. Somebody who has both professional level knowledge of this type of crane, and motive.


137 posted on 05/30/2008 12:13:24 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: penelopesire
There were some (very brave) workers up at the top of the vertical soon after it happened.

Hopefully, if it was sabotage, they will find out.

138 posted on 05/30/2008 12:17:50 PM PDT by Churchillspirit
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Thanks for the info.
139 posted on 05/30/2008 12:19:46 PM PDT by Churchillspirit
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To: TornadoAlley3
Two now dead. I heard it on the street at about 4 p.m. and I just checked NY1.
140 posted on 05/30/2008 2:00:52 PM PDT by firebrand
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