Congress vs. OPEC: Flexible-fuel cars

One News Now ^ | May 22, 2008 | Chad Groening

[Fox_Mulder77]

People did not take Hitler serious until it was too late. To think the members of the OPEC are somehow not intelligent enough to plan our economic destruction my be a little naive.

Do you think Hitler could have accomplished anything without the incredible ability of the German people?!? They had the smartest scientists in the world, some of the best weapons engineers, etc.

You somehow think these OPEC nations can destroy the world without a single ounce of brain power within their nations. They have one thing: oil. And they can't even get to that without the technology of the west. Sorry but they don't have the tools to do anything but destroy themselves, as they've done throughout history.

[WesternPacific]

Sorry but they don't have the tools to do anything but destroy themselves, as they've done throughout history.

Hope you are right, but even an idiot can cause havoc on a grand scale.

[gandalftb]

Energy independence debates constantly devolve into technical discussions of this fuel vs. that fuel. We are so distracted by the technical aspects that the heart of the problem is ignored.

Supply and demand is irrelevant to price in any market that has so limited competition.

Americans will always pay what they are able to pay. OPEC and the oil companies know this and know we are no where close to being crippled and losing our ability to pay.

Find a new fuel that dominates and I will show you a new batch of greedy capitalists that will take advantage of a closed market.

Energy will always be expensive. What is key is to develop energy sources where the PROFITS STAY HOME and not in the hands of unstable foreigners.

We are giving the Chinese trillions of dollars for their products, so they are buying cars, they will dwarf us in demand some day and outbid us for gas.

It is not a competitive battle we can win. The greenest energy is nuclear and is 100% home grown like our corn. The US and Canada have most of the worlds coal and oil shale, and natural gas and propane, with existing distribution at nearly every home right now.

Stop all this drilling talk, most of Alaska's North Slope oil is being sold to Japan and Europe. Any new oil sources we discover will be sold to the highest bidder and that WON'T BE US.

We have to change the game if we want to protect ourselves.

I challenge our national leaders to pass a law banning the importation of ground-pumped hydrocarbon fuel in 25 years.

[Wonder Warthog]

"You would need a separate fuel system from tanks to injectors much as if you did a gaseous conversion. It is costly."

Which is also true if you convert any existing "non-flex-fuel" vehicle to use propane/LPG/LNG. So, I have to ask again---why "not" require that any vehicle produced in or imported to the US be "flex-fuel" qualified. IIRC the Chevy S10 pickup is already a flex-fuel, and I'm pretty sure there are others. How many, I dunno, as I've not studied the issue.

The technology at your link looks interesting.

[Wonder Warthog]

"I live on a farm. We rent the ground as I was raised on a farm and lived on one until I went into the service. That was long enough for me to learn I did not want anything to do with farming."

Well, that's pretty much my story, too, except I don't currently live on a farm. My brother raised corn and soybeans there until the mid 1990's, and then decided there was no opportunity locally to "get big" enough to really "make it" as a full-time farmer---so we sold the farm off (our parents died years ago). Doing farm work was one of the reasons I'm a chemist today.

[headstamp 2]

“Now, if we can only get the fartknockers in the Sierra Club, the House, and Senate to let us drill for the 100+ years supply we have here in the U.S....”

Hot damn, we have a new name for the so-called “Anti Greenhouse Gas” GW folks.

FART KNOCKERS!

[taildragger]

"Hot damn, we have a new name for the so-called “Anti Greenhouse Gas” GW folks. FART KNOCKERS!"

Yes, HS-2, and they are as dumb as Beavis and Butthead.....