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Sky Isn't Falling On This Economy, Contrary To Myopic News Reports
IBD ^ | May 19, 2008 | Brian Williams

Posted on 05/19/2008 7:11:49 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Travis McGee; M. Espinola; All
Well, I don't know what to say. This Hamilton guy appears to have his head stuck up his proverbial sunshine blocker. For real economics I prefer the accuracy of report below:

Government Inflation Data at Odds with Reality

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In an age where governments of every political stripe distort economic data to promote their own self-interests, it's hardly surprising that they present inflation statistics that are wildly at odds with the reality faced by consumers and businesses, and regarded with utter disbelief. In the latest US government report on inflation for instance, there was a glaring "seasonal adjustment," for energy prices that cast great doubt as to the accuracy of the findings.

US Labor Dept apparatchniks said consumer prices rose a smaller than expected 0.2% in April, tamed by energy prices, which were unchanged last month. Utilizing an obscure "seasonal adjustment," Labor figured that gasoline prices actually fell 2% in April, which doesn't reflect the reality of what consumers were paying at the pump. Furthermore, the IMF's global food price index rose 43% over the last 12-months, but the US consumer price index for food is only 5.1% higher. * * *

Labor apparatchniks said retail food prices in April were +5.1% higher from a year ago. Yet, the Dow Jones Agricultural Commodity Index, which measures a basket of corn, coffee, cotton, soybeans, soybean oil, sugar, and wheat, was up 40% in April from a year earlier. Major central banks have greatly increased the levels of cash available to banks and brokers to stave off a credit crisis, and much of the excess money has found its way into agricultural and energy futures. * * *

This economic report was posted on my Freeper Page on May 15th. I often post juicy economic news there quietly without any fanfare. Read all my predictions and all my recent posts. I have made it easy for you with all sorts of hot links.

I seem to be batting close to .900 over the past four years. LOL, LOL ! Oh, well . . . Nothing to see here. You might want to check my recent comments about oil prices.

Nada por nada.

21 posted on 05/19/2008 9:45:45 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: 1rudeboy

“not a great sign” does not equal “collapse”

Long term trends have reversals. I can look at back 10 years and say we did OK.

But what happens in the next 10? That’s what concerns me more.

The governments alliance’s with big business interests is a socialization of the market. free trade no longer exists.

It’s pretty much a given that significantly higher taxes are on the horizon. The laffer curve was the real deal, tax people 100% and the economy founders. I am at a 54% tax rate now ATM, Rangle’s tax, health care, soc sec. and others could push me 60-70% no problem. For me that’s the disposable margin- the new car, the dinner at a restaurant, addition on the house etc. Economy is going to take a hit,longterm no doubt about it.

Collapse is anybody’s call, our economy may just enter a meandering phase, but in any event we are at one of those pivot points and the crisis’s will be handled socialistically for the foreseeable future and it depends how much confidence you have in our government. They have not been real bright in solving the current problems and I can imagine it only gets worse from here on out.


22 posted on 05/19/2008 9:59:13 PM PDT by underbyte
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To: ex-Texan

“””Dow Jones Agricultural Commodity Index, which measures a basket of corn, coffee, cotton, soybeans, soybean oil, sugar, and wheat, was up 40%”””

40% feels about right to me when I go to the market to buy some food.

Yep economy’s great, move along, nothing to see here

AND

Are we not lucky? with all those illegals here we don’t have to worry about wage inflation and can guarantee those big corporate profits keep rolling in....


23 posted on 05/19/2008 10:20:18 PM PDT by underbyte
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To: William Tell
If you think inflation is bad, you need to try a decade or two of deflation. Deflation of housing prices has already caused considerable pain. If the deflation spreads to other commodities there could be some very serious problems. Imagine if all economic activity slowed as much as housing sales have slowed.

Inflation always results in deflation.

Deflation is just the adjustment after the Boom-bust cycle.

At least in deflation prices are dropping and the dollar can buy more.

Neither is good and both are the results of government interventions in the market.

24 posted on 05/19/2008 10:23:32 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: underbyte
I am at a 54% tax rate now ATM, Rangle’s tax, health care, soc sec. and others could push me 60-70% no problem. For me that’s the disposable margin- the new car, the dinner at a restaurant, addition on the house etc. Economy is going to take a hit,longterm no doubt about it.

Surely that is your marginal tax rate, not your overall tax rate. If not, you need a new accountant.

25 posted on 05/19/2008 10:36:39 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Kaslin
No recession? Well Hamiltion can use all the facts and data he chooses, but I prefer to believe the assembled lib mediots who have informed me that THINGS ARE AWFUL!!! FOR EVERYONE!!! So I'm not even going to believe my own eyes and ears which have not seen any dimuition in the numbers of people and cars still choking the malls, restaurants, and freeways wherever I travel. (smirk)
26 posted on 05/20/2008 1:20:32 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: AndyJackson
Now a couple of other points: 1. Inflation is running pretty high at this point.

At this point, my personal inflation rate(PIR) isn't anywhere near 12%. It is probably closer to the CPI-U rate. My lifestyle isn't all that energy intensive and I could actually cut back if needed.

I am not gloating, but rather just pointing out that the effects of inflation aren't the same for everyone.

27 posted on 05/20/2008 4:22:20 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: Travis McGee

The MSM and the gov are backpedaling as fast as they can to suppress the truth with regards to our economy and the global economy. People are beginning to figure out the depths of deceit involved.


28 posted on 05/20/2008 4:43:34 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: William Tell

Excellent post and to the point....I agree. Our trade deficit and total debt as a nation is spelling a near future train crash or biblical proportions (so to speak).


29 posted on 05/20/2008 4:45:41 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Gondring
True...I just last weekend pulled a 06/1962 GE water heater that was leaking from a friends house in her kitchen. It was installed in 1964 when the house was built. Think ones today will last that long?

I still have my Texas Instruments SR-11 from 1974 that still works on the DC adapter...all of it. Battery pack is shot, however.

Also, I have a 1963 GE AM clock radio that works beautifully.

When growing up, there were American made products that were made to last with many still around.

Seems as though the bottom line is all companies care about anymore.....not customer loyalty nor long term survival.

30 posted on 05/20/2008 4:52:32 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: ex-Texan
People, in general, haven't realized whats coming down the tubes.....Can we all spell:

"BEAR"?

"HYPER-STAGFLATION"?

I have read many of your posts and you are more correct than ever missing the call....good job...you are blessed with wisdom.

31 posted on 05/20/2008 4:59:20 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: fortheDeclaration

That is true, but the time frame we are speaking now is at least 10 years out for buying power in the US to recover. Why? Because of the price of oil & gas and we haven’t the top yet.


32 posted on 05/20/2008 5:07:35 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: RSmithOpt
we haven’t the top yet.= we haven’t seen the top yet.
33 posted on 05/20/2008 5:09:42 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: AndyJackson

Direct hit. The CPI has been so engineered as to not reflect the real life situation it is sad.


34 posted on 05/20/2008 5:14:56 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Will this thread be jacked by a Mormon?)
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To: ccmay

Self employed 100% FICA. 15%

federal 35%

CT. state = all taxes property taxes car and house, sales, gas etc. Not hard to get there

New York is is worse, people in the city push 60%


35 posted on 05/20/2008 6:00:32 AM PDT by underbyte
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To: ccmay; underbyte
I am at a 54% tax rate ...Surely that is your marginal tax rate

Two sort of average middle class incomes to support two kids and you are at that marginal tax rate. It is the 60%-99% income earners that pay this rate or higher. As we learned from John Kerry's tax returns the top .1% don't pay taxes, and that is politically supported by the teaming masses who pay little tax on lower incomes.

36 posted on 05/20/2008 6:14:11 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: underbyte
But what happens in the next 10? That’s what concerns me more.

Well, you might look at what Bush did to government borrowing. Clinton had by the end of his term slowed down the rate of borrowing to zero and started to repay the debt. Bush has added another $9.5 Trillion. Do you know how much money that is. It is enough to build 1000 nuclear power plants, enough for our entire current domestic energy needs. No CO2 to end that argument and the power source to power cars.


37 posted on 05/20/2008 6:19:24 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Gondring
don’tcha love the “GDP” crowd, who like to tout the rise in GDP

Even the government statistics on GDP increases are questionable as they depend upon the reliability of their inflation numbers. I posted an alternative take on those numbers, which by the way use the same raw numbers as commerce uses, but removes "hedonic and horizontal substitution corrections." I.e. the government cannot take anti-inflation credit when you substitute hamburger for sirloin because you can no longer afford sirloin. Using uncorrected inflation statistics, the GDP numbers then get rejiggered to show that there is a slow decline in domestic productivity.

You are free to decide which is the right set of numbers, the government's, John William's, or something in between. When the governments jiggered numbers claim a decline in gas prices for April - I kid you not, that is what they said - I think we can toss out the governments numbers.


38 posted on 05/20/2008 6:28:01 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: ex-Texan
Utilizing an obscure "seasonal adjustment," Labor figured that gasoline prices actually fell 2% in April

Bush ought to have the Secretary of Commerce's head for such a blatant and foolish lie. This "let them eat cake" attitude has the natives very very restless. McCain could steel a March on everyone by starting off with some home truths.

39 posted on 05/20/2008 6:31:59 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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