Posted on 05/18/2008 10:05:55 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
Granted? probably not, taken, I'd say they have.
Still think a lot is going to come out about the inadmissibility of the warrants. If there are never any arrests, this may not happen.
I do believe the state has opened the door for a religious persecution case with these repeated off the wall statements. Of course they will say it wasn't policy and only done by individuals. In short, your typical dodge and weave. :)
There are 3 or four new threads.
I looked at them.
I think I’ll just stay here.
“Of course they will say it wasn’t policy and only done by individuals”
Won’t that be a bit hypocritical considering they treated the YFZ Ranch folks as a group?
Have been working tonight so I’ll take your word on the other threads. Had just about given up on them anyway until we started, with a few others, a civil discussion. I’ve really enjoyed this and even learned something about posting! Thank you again for that. :)
Oh, it’s quite hypocritical and typical government/leftist double standards. Having seen CPS operate over the years, I see their over-reaching as only getting worse. Normally there are checks, like custody hearings, that keeps them from going too far. As noted numerous times, this hasn’t happened in this case. They are operating, in their opinion, only in the interest of the children and that, IMO, is a travesty since they ignore the rights of the parents.
OK, I’ll stop for the evening, not going into a rant this late in the day. Will be busy tomorrow, another deadline to meet. Have a good one!
yeah. It’s late.
I’ll respond to you tomorrow.
I would like to learn more about Texas’s version of CPS.
Like why they are ‘overboard’? Who let them get that way, and why?
Anyway, good evening.
You saw multiple good examples of how and why they got the way they are right here on FreeRepublic. Overzealous, condescending individuals who
Wait, let me start over. Too many people accepting the government as God. Always right, always tell the truth, above all, always know what is best for you. Not quite how this country was established, or this state for that matter, but it's also for the children ya know? And that is their trump card, the "in" without warrants, the ability to disrupt families, and the audacity to "snatch" children out of a home.
The saddest thing about it? The norm is them doing nothing, which in itself, made this case so bizarre.
I think that it’s a matter of how you decide to view it.
Those ‘people’ were putting the safety of the children, above the details of the law.
I can’t fault anyone for that.
Now, in a court of law, it is being settled whether or not the CPS had the legal authority to do as they did.
First, Judge Walther said yes.
Then, the appellate court said no.
Now, we will have to see what happens, and we still are awaiting the completion of the DNA analysis, and other evidence. Then we will see what LE has and does.
I have supported CPS, because I saw no other choice on removing all the children, and based on the limited evidence we had.
I don’t support their admonition in the ‘plan’ for parental recovery of the children, where they state Jeff’s name cannot be mentioned.
I find that a violation of freedom of speech.
Unless it does just collapse suddenly. Anything is possible.
It is hard for Texas, and the CPS, to get support now, as this has become a ‘hot potato’.
If it all falls down, is slipped under the rug, I hope it is because the allegations are false.
If the allegations are true, and they get away with it, then our law, and our ‘authorities’ have failed us.
BTW, since the ‘authorities’ are known to fail us, we here in MISERY (Missouri) have a way of dealing with these kind of problems.
We buy a new car.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2019741/posts
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Yeah, sort of. IMO it’s more of how you view other people telling you how to raise your kids. While this is a questionable (not very good example) case for parental rights, it shows the extremes some sections of our government are willing to go to advance a dictatorship. :)
Fact: If these allegations are true, I do not believe very many will have issues with removing the children.
Fact: Not all of the families at the ranch were polygamous(poly whatever), even noted by CPS.
Question: With only those two thoughts in mind, how do you reconcile the removal of all the kids?
Anyway, in a limited defense of the first over-reaching judge, I think there is failure in the first affidavit. I.E. “witness being ‘known’ to affiants” and “known to tell the truth”. Both of these are requirments under Texas law. No matter how you attempt to square the original caller/callers, this is simply not a fact and in short, the judge was lied to. Remember all the furor over the kids being taught to lie from birth? Just where does this place the state if they lied to get in the door?
Doesn’t this smack of “do as I say, not as I do”? These are the protectors of the children? I think not.
Works for me! LOL
BTW, everyone’s over here.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2020282/posts?q=1&;page=51
and here (over 1000 posts)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2019792/posts
Had seen the 2nd, not the first. Work has had me quite busy this week.
Starting to get frustrated with some again and I’m just reading not posting. There’s a total disconnect regarding our legal system with the guilt before innocence.
This is not conservatism. Is there any more evidence required to explain why McCain is our nominee?
“There’s a total disconnect regarding our legal system with the guilt before innocence.”
Yeah, and it’s called CPS. They are authorized to remove children from a dangerous situation, and let the LE sort out the details.
So, yes, it is ‘guilt’ before ‘innocence’, and the reason it’s that way, is because we built it that way.
Are there some CPS workers who misuse, or abuse, their authority?
Yeah.
Are there some (fill in the blank) workers who misuse, or abuse, their authority?
Of course.
It is up to us to find the flaws, and demand our politicians fix them.
We are going to have to address this ‘raiding’ of cults, just like we are trying to address the ‘raiding’ of plants where illegals are working.
We have to make sure our ‘present’ laws are ‘modified’ to deal with ‘en masse’ situations.
Because the YFZ Ranch is not the only isolationist, end of the world, religious sect in the country, or Texas.
Make the changes in statutes, etc., to cover these type situations, instead of chastising the government agencies that have to investigate, and then end up being unable to prosecute those that committed crimes.
Then, the law is followed, and the bad guys are removed.
While I agree there are bad people in all walks of life, I’m not really saying CPS is like that. They are flat geared towards dismissing common jurisprudence because “it’s for the children”.
This is my opinion of them gleaned from years of observation, direct and indirect contact, and seeing how they act in court. This, for me anyway, is not a knee jerk reaction to the governments take-over of a “religious” compound, although Waco does weigh into the equation. However, in that case, they investigated, twice I think, if not three times, found no evidence, and left.
They are also bound by rules, as lax as they may seem and didn’t even follow them! To me, they create a far greater problem than they cure.
A lot of talke about lying among the fLDS, but this whole affair was predicated on a lie and our state agency continued with it. That’s the cure for the problem? I think not.
They do as much good with their “it’s for the children” as the demonrats do.
“That’s the cure for the problem? “
The problem is, IMHO, that Texas wants the problem simply removed. Good bye, don’t come back.
That works for me! But sadly, we have already stepped in it and it's beginning to smell.
It's not as complicated as many try and make it. There are laws against child abuse that should be enforced, FOLLOWING the rule of law, not flouting it, ignoring it, or making it up as you go along.
I agree, false prophets should be exposed, but it's not the government's job to do so, it is ours.
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