Posted on 05/16/2008 5:02:40 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
Like the Sudan and its continued attachment of monetary attachments and votes to refusals to recognize Taiwan? Although, I suppose more real power translates into more subtle threats.
And just about every country has dirt that can be dug up if you go back far enough.
You're quite the Chicom apologist. One doesn't have to have a very long memory or history book to uncover Chinese dirt.
On this message board, get in line. You are not the first to accuse me of that. But I WANT democracy to come to China. Someday and in due time, though.
Me too. I also want it to be a democracy that respects the rights of minorities and non-Chinese. Chinese nationalism is very dangerous right now. The last thing I want is conflict with China, but the Chinese seem hell bent on it.
I don't know what the percentages are, but I have met a fair number of Chinese Taiwanese. And they are just as adamant about Taiwan being part of China as the Taiwanese natives are about independence. If you get a chance to ever meet someone from there, I would suggest you ask them their political view in that regard. They're not communists and they enjoy democracy as well as anyone else.
I know many Formosans. They do not consider themselves to be Han Chinese. The Nationalists came from the mainland, so of course they did, but that is less than 20% of the population. The "Chinese" aspect of Formosans is no different than an identification as Caucasian. Its not nationalistic, its racial.
When China attacks Taiwan, what do you think the appropriate world response should be?
A very telling statement that I missed the first time. What exactly is it that you want the Chicoms to accomplish by brute force before China will be ready to accept the evils of the past as a fate accompli and move to peaceful democracy?
China needs and needs it badly. But there are already efforts under way to get China aligned with the UN while at the same helping China address her need for oil. As far as Taiwan, well, it's part of China so why should it recognize it as an independent country?
You're quite the Chicom apologist. One doesn't have to have a very long memory or history book to uncover Chinese dirt.
Well, I imagine if you want to get into name calling, I've run across many apologist in my life time as well. From the resettlement of Native Americans, to slavery, to Andersonville, to the put down of Peurto Rico's revolution. I can go on.
but the Chinese seem hell bent on it.
I don't believe so.
I know many Formosans. They do not consider themselves to be Han Chinese. The Nationalists came from the mainland, so of course they did, but that is less than 20% of the population. The "Chinese" aspect of Formosans is no different than an identification as Caucasian. Its not nationalistic, its racial.
Yes, the Han's are a minority. But they are still part of Taiwan and Taiwanese citizens. And, they have never said Taiwan was independent. It was their government that the Island of Taiwan was surrendered to after the defeat of Japan. It was directed by the US. Check your history. This same government, the KMT, wants better relations with China and does not want to declare independence.
When China attacks Taiwan, what do you think the appropriate world response should be?
That won't occurr as long as the world, the US, Europe and Japan reconignize that Taiwan is part of China, which is what is happening so far. Economic integration will help the process.
A very telling statement that I missed the first time. What exactly is it that you want the Chicoms to accomplish by brute force before China will be ready to accept the evils of the past as a fate accompli and move to peaceful democracy?
Wow, that questions sure is loaded with accusations.
In my city, they have been trying to build a third run way for years. It is badly needed. But there was a legal battle that ran for 8 years before they could begin construction on it. America has such a luxury to fight it out. China does not. There are many inside and outside China who believe that in a democracy, China would not be able to build their infrastructure the way they have. Yes, there is a certain level of brute pragmatism that goes along with China's decision to build, but it is necessary. If they had to fight 8 year legal battles for every structure they built, it would never get built. Once their infrastructure is built, then there are other issues that will need to be addressed that can best be achieved through a democracy. But building major infrastructure, is best done through strong central decision making.
China needs oil and needs it badly.
Sixty launch complexes is “extensive?” They better not ever photograph North Dakota or Montana. There’s nearly 700 there.
The Soviets played the same game, they just didn't have the Internet.
You are a puppet of tyrants. Hundreds of thousands of Chinese will apparently have to die to check your country's nationalism. You greatly over estimate China's capabilities.
I hope Taiwan has a few dozen nukes ready to go. Wouldn't it be funny if they bought them from your North Korean friends (Stalinist murderers that they are)?
In other words, people must be crushed to form the foundations of your utopia. How Stalinist.
Communism has killed over 100 million people in the last 90 years, looks like you want to keep that tally running until the peasants get it right.
Perhaps you should read up on Chinese casualties in Korea before you get too gungho about Taiwan.
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