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McCain's appeal to Latinos
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | May 14, 2008 | Ruben Navarrette

Posted on 05/14/2008 5:19:40 AM PDT by Jack Black

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To: BohDaThone

You need to read my post before you post. I did not mention Latino or Hispanic. The only reference in my post is to “ILLEGAL ALIENS”. Your post is the problem in that you are doing what the Dims and McCain do which is to accuse any one who speaks of illegals as really meaning all Hispanic’s. Which is patently false. I stand by what I posted! Illegal means illegal.


41 posted on 05/14/2008 6:54:47 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Jack Black
were wearing themselves out pandering to racists who demanded action on illegal immigration

The same old tired chestnut that if you oppose illegal immigration you must be a racist. WHen does the revolution begin again?
42 posted on 05/14/2008 6:57:24 AM PDT by steel_resolve (We are living in the post-rational world where being a moron is an asset)
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To: prairiebreeze

Yep, and meanwhile McCain risks losing average American votes by pandering to the invader advocates, who will never vote for him. President Bush got better numbers among hispanics than McCain’s getting.


43 posted on 05/14/2008 6:58:18 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet ("No more of those candidates who are pledged to the same goals as our opposition ..." Ronald Reagan)
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To: G.Mason

As a thinking woman, I simply prefer reasons rather than common name-calling. Trust me, I understand the frustration about this election and the general dissatisfaction with all the candidates. However, I think we do ourselves NO favor by not voting.

“” (And I highly doubt the *millions* count. I think most conservatives are far more sensible.)”

Something you and McCain are counting on.

Don’t be too sure.”

Any concrete evidence?


44 posted on 05/14/2008 6:58:18 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

What you say is true.

I am not a party loyalist. I generally vote GOP because they come closest to reflecting my views on the issues. No candidate that I have ever voted for reflected my position on ALL of the issues, but I consider the alternatives and cast my vote for the one whom I believe will do the best at enacting, supporting, enforcing or communicating my positions on most of the issues. I do not vote (or refuse to vote) as some sort of statement about the party or to try and influence how the party may act in the future. I have seen no evidence that such voting practices have any effect on what positions the party may take in the future.

I would not have chosen McCain as the GOP candidate had I had my choice, but I didn’t have that choice. Apparently the people have spoken, for good or ill. We are now faced with a choice of either Obama (or an outside chance Hillary) or McCain. I discount the Bob Barr candidacy as too late in coming and not serious (except for its possibility of knocking off McCain). As between McCain and Obama/Hillary the choice is clear. Unfortunate, perhaps, but clear. I will vote for McCain if only because an Obama/Hillary presidency would harm the country far more than McCain could or would.

All of that said, I don’t believe that our country will be trashed even if Obama gets in as President. After all, we survived Carter and Clinton I. That which does not kill us makes us stronger— see Reagan, e.g.


45 posted on 05/14/2008 7:00:18 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: NCLaw441

Your sharing is sensible and I agree with most of it. I DO want to point out that Obama is far too much of an unknown at this point.

I don’t know how to include this directly in my post, but I’ll leave you with the url:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/drsanity/denialandconfusion.jpg


46 posted on 05/14/2008 7:10:39 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: Jack Black
For many conservatives, John McCain is not their favorite Republican.

Understatement of the year.

47 posted on 05/14/2008 7:13:28 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SumProVita
How do you know there is NO likelihood?

Of course I don't know anything for certain. I must rely on the past to try to predict the future just like everyone else. I do know this much:

  1. There is little incentive for any president to stack the Supreme Court ideologically one way or another. A balanced court equals a weak court (perhaps, this is why Republicans keep appointing moderates to the court).
  2. McCain has little incentive to appoint another strong conservative, in that a more conservative court is likely to overturn some of his very own pet legislation.
  3. McCain believes in open borders. Would he appoint someone who is apt to rule against these open borders.

Conservatives have been voting for a conservative court for over thirty years. Republicans have held the office for twenty of the last twenty eight years. Again, seven of the current justices are Republican appointees. Yet, we still do not have a conservative court.

History and logic says that basing your support for McCain on court appointments is unfounded.

Its alright to vote against the Marxist Obama, but let's not delude ourselves into believing the alternative will result in a friend in the Whitehouse. It Won't

48 posted on 05/14/2008 7:19:30 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (When you discover rats in your house, you only have two options - fumigate or tolerate.)
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To: SumProVita
Concret evidence?

No more than that smell in the air.


I'm sure there are as many millions who will hold their nose (again) and vote for the lesser of evils.

I shant be one of them.

49 posted on 05/14/2008 7:22:54 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Jack Black

For many conservatives, John McCain is not their favorite Republican. They think he’s built a career at their expense, painting them as fools and bigots. They resent his holier-than-thou attitude. And they’re not inclined to trust anyone who has been so fawned over by the national media.


That’s about the size of it.


50 posted on 05/14/2008 7:24:58 AM PDT by Grunthor (Of two evils, choose neither - Charles Spurgeon)
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To: Jack Black

“were wearing themselves out pandering to racists who demanded action on illegal immigration”

I’d like to know what race is involved in the illegal alien issue. Personally I wouldn’t care if they were Swedes sneaking in, illegal is illegal.


51 posted on 05/14/2008 7:26:35 AM PDT by Grunthor (Of two evils, choose neither - Charles Spurgeon)
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To: CharacterCounts

“History and logic says that basing your support for McCain on court appointments is unfounded.”

Logic says that the possibilities are better with McCain than with a Democrat.

Why? Recent statements by McCain strengthen the possibility that he WILL appoint justices who are NOT liberal activists and recent statements also demonstrate that he understands that we need to have the borders secured FIRST.


52 posted on 05/14/2008 7:27:47 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: SumProVita
You pointed out two reasons why to vote for McCain: (1) Supreme Court and (2) War on Terror.

Regarding the Supreme Court, McCain has stated that Alito “wears conservatism on his sleeve.” Much more indicative is his orchestration of the “Gang of Fourteen” which protected the leftist filibuster of Conservative judiciary nominees and left two nominees high and dry. McCain, through his cabana boy, Lindsay Graham, also delayed action on a nominee to the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. And, if that isn't enough, consider that one of McCain's closed advisers is Warren Rudman, who is responsible for David Souter, that rock ribbed conservative on the Court now.

Regarding the War on Terror, McCain has accused our nation of engaging in torture in Iraq. He was also against waterboarding (who knows where the waffler is now), wanted to close Gitmo, and he wanted to give terrorists ACLU trials right here in America. There isn't a dime's worth of difference between the three leftists on these issues and certainly not worth giving McCain control of the GOP and the ability to crush conservatism within the party.

53 posted on 05/14/2008 7:29:27 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: SumProVita

“Supreme Court

Gang of 14

“War on Terror”

It is absolutely ludicrous to say we are fighting a war on terror half way around the world when we refuse to secure our borders and ports.


54 posted on 05/14/2008 7:29:32 AM PDT by Grunthor (Of two evils, choose neither - Charles Spurgeon)
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To: Grunthor

Love your tagline!


55 posted on 05/14/2008 7:32:52 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: SumProVita
Yeah. sort of like Read my lips, no new taxes.

Sorry, I am way too sophisticated to believe empty campaign rhetoric, especially when it is contradicted by the candidate's actions in the past.

McCain has sponsored and help enact more unconstitutional legislation than most Democrats. He is unlikely to change.

56 posted on 05/14/2008 7:36:43 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (When you discover rats in your house, you only have two options - fumigate or tolerate.)
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To: Jack Black
...Latinos are under fire thanks to an immigration debate that doesn't bother to distinguish between recent immigrants and U.S. citizens - as long as they have Spanish surnames.

Bullsh*t!

"La Raza" made the attempt to make this a "racial" issue (the name, "the Race", says it all).

I don't care where the illegals are coming from, send them home--to Mexico, Dominican Republic, Belgium, to what ever country they came from.

It just so happens that the majority are coming through the Southern border, so secure the d@mned thing and send them home.

57 posted on 05/14/2008 7:38:35 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Jack Black

Good article and good assessment of his work with Latino citizens. I have no problem with McCain wanting the votes of these hard working citizens.

This is not about illegals,...it’s about voters in his base. If you object ...then you are reacting like a “racisit” would.

If the shoe fits......


58 posted on 05/14/2008 7:39:10 AM PDT by HappyinAZ
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To: MBB1984

I disagree....and the comment about Alito has been superceeded by his recent statements on the issue.

I stand by my statement regarding the war on terror. If you think Obama would be better.....or even the same....I will simply ask God to grant wisdom.

(My husband personally experienced waterboarding as part of his military survival training and does not consider this to be torture in the conventional, historical sense. I can only surmise that McCain’s own history of torture in Vietnam has clouded his judgment on this issue.....particularly in view of the facts about how seldom this method is used.)

I STILL say that McCain is better than any Democrat alternative.


59 posted on 05/14/2008 7:42:50 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: Bob J

This may interest you.


60 posted on 05/14/2008 8:03:26 AM PDT by Jack Black
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