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Police in Gun Searches Face Disbelief in Court
NY Times ^ | May 12, 2008 | BENJAMIN WEISER

Posted on 05/12/2008 11:58:26 AM PDT by neverdem

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“In each case,” he added, “the suspect in fact had a gun.”

Who cares about the Second or Fourth Amendment?


Todd Heisler/The New York Times
A charge against Anthony McCrae was dismissed because a judge disbelieved an officer.
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A judge shined a flashlight through the window of an S.U.V., above, in an evidence photo, to test police testimony.
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1 posted on 05/12/2008 11:58:26 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Who cares about the Second or Fourth Amendment?

If the arrestees are previously-convicted felons in possession of firearms then the Fourth Amendment may be more important than the Second here.

2 posted on 05/12/2008 12:06:13 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: neverdem

That’s a win


3 posted on 05/12/2008 12:06:36 PM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: neverdem

If Sprizzo says so, I would trust him. He knows his stuff.


4 posted on 05/12/2008 12:12:17 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: neverdem
Strangely, even though the judge - like many other activists who don't really believe in punishment - did not believe the officers, there was an illegal gun found in every case.

I suppose that the cops are just very, very, lucky and that these poor guys - who just happen to be felons - had simply been UNlucky enough to be ... victims of law enforcement.

Yeah, thats the ticket. Really your honor.

5 posted on 05/12/2008 12:13:27 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: neverdem

It’s not about the guns, it’s about the crimes people commit with them and the expectation by certain segments of society that the police are supposed to do something about it. The guns are a means to an end when it comes to criminals although one has to admit that making it hard on scumbags to commit crime is likely going to have positive outcomes on society.


6 posted on 05/12/2008 12:16:06 PM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Does America Need Another Jimmy Carter?)
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To: neverdem

Typically, the cameras used by police cruisers only record when the blue lights are on. So, if you are ever questioned by an officer with a patrol car, make sure he turns the lights on or the only record of what happened will be his word.


7 posted on 05/12/2008 12:17:03 PM PDT by Niteranger68 (If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.)
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To: neverdem
Over the last six years, the police and prosecutors have cooperated in a broad effort that allows convicted felons found with a firearm to be tried in federal court, where sentences are much harsher than in state court.

Gee, I wonder where they picked up that little tactic from?

8 posted on 05/12/2008 12:18:52 PM PDT by Wolfie
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“I don’t like to jeopardize their career and all the rest of it,” he said.

Forget justice and the Constitution, a judge has to have his or her priorities.

9 posted on 05/12/2008 12:23:22 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Wolfie

Most of the time nothing good comes from a convicted felon possessing a gun. Then again, more proof that gun control laws don’t work since criminals don’t care about the law.


10 posted on 05/12/2008 12:23:44 PM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Does America Need Another Jimmy Carter?)
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To: misterrob

So do we take it that you SUPPORT cops conducting illegal searches and then lying in court? Because that’s the message you seem to be propagating here.


11 posted on 05/12/2008 12:24:38 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: dcwusmc

That’s your knee jerk reaction.

Try not to knock yourself out.


12 posted on 05/12/2008 12:27:59 PM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Does America Need Another Jimmy Carter?)
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To: rogue yam
If the arrestees are previously-convicted felons in possession of firearms then the Fourth Amendment may be more important than the Second here.

If it was qualified as a violent felony, I could buy it. Any felony? IMHO, any felony conviction disability to own a firearm should be an unconstitutional violation of the right to self defense guaranteed by the Second Amendment. Like the culture defining deviancy down, the statists have been defining what what qualifies as a felony down.

13 posted on 05/12/2008 12:28:30 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: Niteranger68

“So, if you are ever questioned by an officer with a patrol car, make sure he turns the lights on or the only record of what happened will be his word.”

Yeah, that’ll work.
CITIZEN: “Officer, could you turn your camera on?”
PIG: “Are you getting smart? Do you want to go to jail?”


14 posted on 05/12/2008 12:30:17 PM PDT by ProfessorGage
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To: dcwusmc; misterrob

I’m saying that the search was not illegal.
This judge sometimes -not often - does not concur.

Or do you simply believe it because it is printed - in - the - MSM?


15 posted on 05/12/2008 12:30:40 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: ProfessorGage

>CITIZEN: “Officer, could you turn your camera on?”
PIG: “Are you getting smart? Do you want to go to jail?”

Excuse us, pig?


16 posted on 05/12/2008 12:31:40 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: misterrob

I’m asking for clarification. But your response says it all, I guess. So much for “innocent until PROVEN guilty,” huh?


17 posted on 05/12/2008 12:35:32 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: ProfessorGage

PIG???? I remember that being the word of choice for police officers when I was a senseless hippie.

Guess some people never grow up.


18 posted on 05/12/2008 12:40:57 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Michael Steele for VP)
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To: bill1952
Strangely, even though the judge - like many other activists who don't really believe in punishment - did not believe the officers, there was an illegal gun found in every case.

And found through an unconstitutional search. Case dismissed. Get mad at the officers whose illegal searches let gun-toting felons back on the street.

19 posted on 05/12/2008 12:41:11 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: DLfromthedesert

“Guess some people never grow up.”

Guess some people (”cops” if you prefer) never stop murdering innocent civilians, dedicating their lives to taking my guns, and thinking and acting like they’re better than you, me, and everybody else. Bottom line — if you want my guns I do not care what people say about you or do to you.


20 posted on 05/12/2008 12:43:19 PM PDT by ProfessorGage
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