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{ John Paul Stevens } Supreme Court Justice says horse died more humanely than death row prisoners
AP via KnoxNews ^ | 5/10/8

Posted on 05/10/2008 9:07:01 AM PDT by SmithL

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To: vetvetdoug
The use of succinylcholine in the human euthanasia procedure is cruel and inhumane. The person is paralyzed and cannot breathe yet is conscious. I think it would be more humane if they would euthanize the criminals with the same drugs we use on animals. The use of succinylcholine for euthanasia was prohibited by the veterinary profession almost thirty years ago.

IIRC; the euthanasia execution procedure includes 3 drugs. The first is a heavy sedative. If you've been under general anesthetic you've experienced the criminal's "Trauma".

A few years ago a man on death row chose the electric chair. Immediately before his "appointment" he tried to get his execution stayed due to the method being "cruel."

He had been sentenced to death for raping a woman and torturing her to death. During his crime he repeatedly shocked the woman with electricity...

Pardon me if I don't get caught up in the hype.

41 posted on 05/10/2008 10:07:11 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: SmithL
Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens

This is why we all have to bite the bullet and reluctantly cast our vote for McLame.

42 posted on 05/10/2008 10:08:23 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: JohnLongIsland
This is why we all have to bite the bullet and reluctantly cast our vote for McLame.

Any chance he might pull a "Sandra Day" on us?

43 posted on 05/10/2008 10:09:57 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: SmithL
If the death penalty is unconstitutional, why does the Constitution specify it for certain crimes?

Why are judges, especially Federal Appellates and Supremes, so illiterate that they do not understand the difference between "and" and "or", as in "...cruel and unusual punishment..."?

Until they stuck their straws in the septic tank and stirred before drinking, the death penalty was not unusual. It is 'profiting from their own crime' to first ban it, then claim it is 'unusual'; therefore, 'cruel' should not be coming into play at all.

44 posted on 05/10/2008 10:12:25 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: SmithL

His comment is a great illustration of the left’s selective and skewed moral perspective.


45 posted on 05/10/2008 10:16:30 AM PDT by Williams
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To: SmithL

FIRST break both ankles of the condemned, THEN give them the injections?

I am fine with that.


46 posted on 05/10/2008 10:16:46 AM PDT by Eddie01 (one more for the road is actually a really bad idea.)
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To: SmithL
So lets start shooting convicted murders...quicker and much less fuss. Not to mention cheaper. Guilty = BANG!!!!

Bed wetters amd hand wringers...UP YOURS !!!

47 posted on 05/10/2008 10:22:47 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: vetvetdoug
The person is paralyzed and cannot breathe yet is conscious.

Yeah, so? The VICTIM was probably also paralyzed...with fear; unable to breathe, but conscious. Oh, that's right; that is just the victim.

That's why we call it the CRIMINAL justice system; victims do not have rights, nor count.

If the criminal suffers a short bit, too damned bad. The Constitution specifies "cruel AND unusual", no matter how hard 'they' try to turn that "AND" into an "OR". The more they suffer, and the quicker they die, the better. Just put them out of our misery as expeditiously as possible...it makes it just that much sooner that they can cry on God's shoulder, before being kicked into The Pit.

ITMT, please continue to euthanize innocent, suffering animals as humanely as possible.

48 posted on 05/10/2008 10:22:54 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: rahbert
This would be fun to watch-
49 posted on 05/10/2008 10:29:06 AM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: chaosagent

I second your question about why executions aren’t done like we put down our beloved animals. Do you think it’s because the government (i.e., a bunch of people who couldn’t get work in the private sector who are best at shuffling paper) decided what drugs to use?

It really doesn’t make any sense.


50 posted on 05/10/2008 10:37:25 AM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: SmithL; All
In stark contrast to Justice Stevens' horse analogy in trying to discourage executions, note that Alexander Hamilton was killed by acting Vice President Aaron Burr in a bipartisan duel in the early 19th century.
Burr-Hamilton duel

51 posted on 05/10/2008 10:47:30 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: SmithL

The horse didn’t deserve to die. The prisoners do.


52 posted on 05/10/2008 10:48:33 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: vetvetdoug

A large caliper bullet in the brain is cheap, sure and final.


53 posted on 05/10/2008 11:04:28 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: SmithL

Okay-let’s put a vet in charge of executions!


54 posted on 05/10/2008 11:10:39 AM PDT by Spok (Ignorance is no excuse-it's the real thing.)
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To: SmithL

since most death sentences are given to murderers of various stripes, I wonder how humanely the victims of these sociopaths died?

Was their death by a lethal injection that shut down their senses and breathing, or by some more violent means?


55 posted on 05/10/2008 11:46:36 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: chiefqc

You might be on to something there...

56 posted on 05/10/2008 12:11:00 PM PDT by Eddie01 (one more for the road is actually a really bad idea.)
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To: SmithL
Stevens voted with the majority on the question of lethal injections but said for the first time that he now believes the death penalty is unconstitutional.

There you go. The constitution just keeps living and changing. It changes so quickly, the lefties can hardly keep up with it.

57 posted on 05/10/2008 12:12:11 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: vetvetdoug

Succinylcholine is used as a muscle relaxant/paralytic during human surgery.

Muscle relaxants are not used ALONE as the killing agent.

The 3-drug execution procedure consists of (from Wikipedia):

* Sodium thiopental: ultra-short action barbiturate, an anaesthesic agent capable of rendering the offender unconscious in a few seconds.

* Pancuronium: non-depolarizing muscle relaxant, causes complete, fast and sustained paralysis of the skeletal striated muscles, including the diaphragm and the rest of the respiratory muscles; this would eventually cause death by asphyxiation.

* Potassium chloride: stops the heart, and thus causes death by cardiac arrest.

The same 3 drugs were used by Jack Kevorkian to “humanely” euthanize humans. He used this on the guy he killed on “60 Minutes” a few yeras ago. Seemed OK for that purpose...

You have point. If we go to a 2-step lethal injection, like vets use for pets, eliminating the muscle relaxant will save a few dollars. But then the activists will complain (as some have already) that the sedative could wear off too fast, allowing the person to feel the effects of the potassium chloride.


58 posted on 05/10/2008 12:14:56 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie
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To: SmithL

Take em’ to Louisville, make em’ run around the track, break their legs, and have a vet put them down. That Stephens is so creative.


59 posted on 05/10/2008 12:15:31 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: SmithL
As it should be Mr. Justice. (title in respect for the position)
60 posted on 05/10/2008 12:18:42 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Will this thread be jacked by a Mormon?)
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