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Texas AG will prosecute any criminal cases from polygamous ranch raid(YFZ/fLDS Daily Thread-5/6/08)
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 05/07/2008 | Nate Carlisle

Posted on 05/07/2008 5:55:49 AM PDT by MizSterious

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5/6 thread, with articles on:

TX AG to prosecute any fLDS cases, Canadians urge crackdown on border (to prevent celestial bride traffic to US), more on DOD probe of fLDS, Lost Boys interview

5/5 thread, with articles on:

Canadian parents want Ottawa's help in getting daughter back from TX, attorneys complain about confusion with hearings, polygamous dad speaks out, mothers leave children while courts sort out case, Carolyn Jessop's "Escape" no. 5 on NYT bestseller list, deport's excellent list of links, Warren Jeffs under suicide watch, man has 21 wives, 35 children, town hall set for media, law discussions on polygamy .

5/4 thread, with articles on:

Recollections of life in the cult, polygamy summit in St. George, Utah AG reluctant to judge Tx action, UT, AZ polygamists retreated to TX, children adapt to new homes, states divided on approach to polygamy

5/3 thread, with articles on:

Colorado woman's (Laura Chapman) story of abuse in fLDS, letter from fLDS mothers to Utah governor, more on fashion, according to UT, "few answers in Texas", how families are torn apart by fLDS, Utah gives TX hints on handling of fLDS kids, reprint of TX law professor's assertion that raid was correct and legal, discussion on blood atonement with links, Polygamy's undergrond railroad, "Mormon Manson," comparisons between YFZ and Cold Creek, fairly complete listing of child child custody legal procedure, common pediatric fractures, look at how fLDS acquired land for compount using fraud in 2004

5/2 thread, with articles on:

Utah officials don't want federal help, feds claim they're stymied in probes of fLDS, residents of UT and AZ want crackdowns, home schooling for sect children, burden of proof high in such cases, kids' religious needs, older boys, not adults may be source of abuse of boys, Bishop's Record (pdf) list of YFZ families, Dr. Phil opines, warrant canceled for AZ man originally charged with molesting "Sarah," protesters supporting fLDS mothers show up at NBA game, letter from fLDS mothers claims rights violated, law professor says state correct to remove children from ranch, excerpt from "On the Lam with Warren Jeffs."

5/1 thread, with articles on:

FLDS doctor denies abuse, fLDS petitions court for return of children, denial of abuse of boys, commentary by Marci Hamilton (constitutional law expert), TX senator wants more info on YFZ, LDS response to situation, new evidence on abuse, NY Voodoo sex abuse case

4/30 thread, with articles on:

Investigations into fLDS government contracts, new compound built at 4 Corners area, strains on CPS capacity, Shurtleff & Reid agree to work together, interview with mothers in Amarillo, Colorado City fLDS watching events in Texas, NM removes 4 children from non-fLDS cult compound, sexual and physical injuries listed, proposed AZ bill would shield children of polygamists, Canadians want action on polygamists, fLDS denies child abuse, fLDS claims children have brittle bone disease, articles on brittle bone disease

4/29 thread with articles on:

"Lost" boys found, cult children statistics, more on WE documentary, sect doctors silent on abuse question, legal news and details, woman recalls life in sect, children's diet, Texans chip in to help, children at one shleter think they're all siblings, sect placement marriages "diabolical," sect threatens lawsuit, questions DNA tests might answer, teen mother gives birth (it's a boy)

4/28 thread with articles on:

Criminal charges urged for YFZ, new "prophet" film, debate over legalities of raid, Bountiful, BC fLDS group, reason in religious beliefs, former fLDS member shares insights, more on the Short Creek raid, documentary about group on WE TV.

4/27 thread with articles on:

Gene disorders in group, child custody processes, appeal to Gov. Perry, unusual way of life in YFZ, possibility of children held at YFZ whose parents were forced out, sheriff says authorities had spy inside sect.

4/26 thread with articles on:

Cost of care for the children of the sect, charges that two kids might be missing, how members of the sect dress, court rejects requests of mothers to stay with children, appeals court cancels hearing, Canadian involved in sect, culture shock for kids, oil drillers last laugh, possible involvement in human trafficking and drugs at Colorado City, Rep. Kay Granger's request to investigate financial ties to USG

4/25 thread with aritcles on:

Courts allowing state to place children in foster homes, legal challenges to the raid, beliefs on polygamy, protests against the raid and removal of children, Warren Jeff's appeal, portions of the Texas Family Code
4/24 thread with articles on:

Seized polygamous sect kids face tough adjustment, articles on how and where the children were placed, Carolyn Jessup on Canadian children possibly at the ranch, legal aid group challenges judge, interview with Benjamin Bistline, 40 women choose to go to safe house instead of back to cult, 25 girls claimed to be adults, now found to be minors.


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1 posted on 05/07/2008 5:55:50 AM PDT by MizSterious
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2 posted on 05/07/2008 5:56:57 AM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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A friend in need

Former FLDS wife, now a Baptist missionary, aims to help those women who want to break away from the polygamist community

From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

Mary Mackert thought it was normal at the age of 17 to become the sixth wife of a man who was 50. She was the seventh generation to enter into a polygamist marriage and firmly believed she would be destined for perdition if she did not uphold the religious tenets of her faith.

Four decades later, Ms. Mackert has another standard of normal.

She is now a Baptist missionary to young girls and polygamist wives in the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, ministering to followers of the prominent Canadian FLDS leader Winston Blackmore who may wish for a different way of life.

Ms. Mackert, 56, lives in Bonners Ferry, Idaho, which some say is a transit station on an underground railway line that allegedly shuffles young women between polygamist communities on either side of the Canada-U.S. border.

Ms. Mackert says she has gone for religious services to the FLDS community in the Creston, B.C., area known as Bountiful, about 50 kilometres north.

"I just sit and smile. I'm not there to cause trouble," she said of her trips to Bountiful. She goes to let women see what they can have if they want to leave the religion, she says, "and if they want [to leave], I help them get it."

Ms. Mackert's work as a missionary attracted attention in the wake of a raid last month of the FLDS Yearning For Zion compound in Texas.

Authorities apprehended 653 boys and girls under the age of 18 - including a 17-year-old Canadian girl from Bountiful - after allegedly finding evidence of sexual abuse and "a pervasive pattern" of grooming young girls for underage sex with older men. A lawyer for the religious sect has vehemently disputed the allegations.

Ms. Mackert went last month to the FLDS compound in the rocky dry lands of west Texas, about 600 kilometres west of Dallas, in an attempt to contact her stepdaughters, sister-wives, sisters and a niece she believed were there.

She returned to Bonners Ferry without having made contact with any of the women. She had heard her relatives were not happy with remarks she made in support of the raid during a televised interview. "To get in to see them after they heard my statements, only God could make that happen," Ms. Mackert said in an interview yesterday.

However, she intends to go back to Texas late this month. The fate of those who were apprehended will be decided over the coming weeks. Ms. Mackert offered to care for her relatives' children, if they are not returned to their FLDS polygamist families.

The FLDS members in Canada live the same way as do FLDS people in Colorado City, Ariz., the city where she was born, Ms. Mackert said. "They travel back and forth, and intermarry," she added. "There's religious pressure on these people [to accept a marriage with members across the border], but they do not look on it as trafficking."

Growing up in a polygamist religious sect, Ms. Mackert accepted many activities as normal that she now rejects. Her FLDS father had 27 children from three wives and additional stepchildren from a fourth wife. They lived for several years in three different homes as part of the FLDS community in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Her father wore different hats when he went into the different houses in an attempt to fool nosy neighbours, she said. He always wore glasses to enter one house but not when going to another. "That was normal to me. It was the world I was raised in. I never questioned it," she said.

Ms. Mackert said she was taught to lie to those outside the faith. "We rehearsed the story. When we were asked what [her father] did, we were to say he was a travelling salesman. If we were asked why we were not at church ...we were to say our mom was Mormon and our dad was Catholic, so we did not go to either church."

The lies brought her closer to those who shared her faith in their confrontations against a common enemy. Lying, she said, "binds you together, makes you loyal when everyone else is the enemy."

The secrecy helped the religion's leadership control its members, Ms. Mackert said. "There is so little contact with the outside world. There is no barometer, no way to compare what you do to something else."

Her husband had 35 children from seven wives. She left the marriage after 16 years, taking her five children with her. But she could not completely escape her upbringing. When she went to college for a four-year business management degree, she did not raise her hand even once to ask a question. "I was taught not to question anyone in a position of authority," Ms. Mackert said.

She joined the Baptist church in 1989 and was commissioned as a missionary to the FLDS in 2002. She moved in 2004 to Bonners Ferry, which has five FLDS families.

Ms. Mackert said she does not know whether she is achieving anything in Bonners Ferry. "You never know who in their heart of hearts wants to leave until they take action," she said. "I'm just there, making friends and hoping to influence."

Source: Globe and Mail.

3 posted on 05/07/2008 6:03:44 AM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: MizSterious

unbelievable!

35 children, 7 wives.

but, there will be those on this forum angry that the state of texas intervened.


4 posted on 05/07/2008 6:07:08 AM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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Legal experts say what FLDS can do now is cooperate

By Geoffrey Fattah
Deseret News
Published: May 7, 2008
Two prominent Utah legal minds say there is little members of the Fundamentalist LDS Church can do to stop the momentum of Texas' investigation. In other words: The train has left the station.

The main reason is that states typically give broader powers to state officials regarding child welfare than criminal investigations.

"We tend to view this as a criminal investigation, but the authorities down in Texas are involved in a child welfare action," said former federal judge and University of Utah law professor Paul Cassell.

Cassell said when it comes to making sure children are safe, the court will want to review any evidence possible to ensure what it's doing is in the best interest of the children.

Challenging such evidence within a child welfare case is difficult. Unlike a criminal action, the legal standards for throwing out evidence is much lower. "It's the law in many jurisdictions that you cannot suppress evidence in a child protective action," Cassell said.

That's not to say that the case won't turn into a criminal one. If that happens, Cassell said attorneys for FLDS members can then challenge its admission.

One common question surrounding this saga has been the basis for the search warrants. The raid on the YFZ Ranch was prompted by phone calls by someone claiming to be a 16-year-old named Sarah Barlow. The teen said she was pregnant and in an abusive, polygamous marriage to a man.

During the raid, Texas authorities didn't find Sarah, but say they uncovered signs of abuse and a judge ordered all of the children removed and placed in state protective custody.

Authorities in several states are now investigating a Colorado woman, who, they say, has a history of posing as abused young women. They now suspect this woman may have posed as Sarah.

But wouldn't that invalidate the search warrant?

Not necessarily, says Cassell.

"The government doesn't always have to be right with the search warrant, it just has to be reasonable," Cassell said.

Salt Lake defense attorney Greg Skordas agrees, saying as long as law enforcement is acting on "good faith" that the information they are acting on is correct, the warrant is valid.

Cassell said history can also play a part. For example, if police act on information that a man with a court history of drug dealing is dealing out of his home, that can be taken into consideration in supporting their reasons for a warrant even if that information later turns out to be bogus.

In this case, FLDS members have been charged and convicted in the past for arranging underage marriages to young girls. That can play a part in Texas upholding its search warrants as valid.

During its investigation, Texas authorities have said they have uncovered evidence of physical and sexual abuse among children. Cassell said courts have upheld that if law enforcement sees evidence — even if it's evidence of a completely different crime than what the search warrant suspected — that evidence can still be used in court.

"They don't have to avert their eyes of evidence of other wrongdoing," Cassell said. "They have to show probable cause to be pulling up fish, but if they're looking for a bass and they find a salmon, they don't have to throw the salmon back."

Cassell said courts have allowed state agencies to share information, meaning evidence gathered in a child welfare investigation can later be used in a criminal one.

FLDS members will have a chance to challenge the evidence if criminal charges are filed. But Cassell and Skordas both say that will be the last thing to hit the courts. The most immediate thing the courts are concerned about is the safety of the children and establishing some sort of permanency.

"You can't fight city hall," Skordas said. "The FLDS haven't done themselves any favors either because they're so secretive."

Skordas said the best thing FLDS members could do right now is fully cooperate with authorities in their investigation, because that would likely result in getting their children back sooner.

Source: Deseret News.

5 posted on 05/07/2008 6:07:16 AM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: ken21
"but, there will be those on this forum angry that the state of texas intervened."

Yes, there will be. And I'm sure they'll be really depressed to see what actual attorneys (in other words, studied law and passed the bar) have to say in post #5 on this thread.

6 posted on 05/07/2008 6:09:34 AM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: MizSterious
Too bad they cannot castrate any man who impregnated any underage girl.

As many know, I had my doubts about this raid, only because of the shaky initial evidence, but if underage girls are turning up pregnant or having kids, then that is pretty much solid evidence of abuse. Hopefully, the fact that the initial call turned out to be a hoax won't introduce a technicality that would allow for the "men" responsible to escape justice.

I still have reservations about separating the mothers from the children, and I still believe that Texas isn't doing enough to prosecute this crime when it occurs in non-FLDS communities, but I hope anyone who indeed had sex with a minor is prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows.

7 posted on 05/07/2008 6:09:42 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: MizSterious

morning.......yawn

thanks for the daily threads, Miz.


8 posted on 05/07/2008 6:11:54 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: pnh102
Too bad they cannot castrate any man who impregnated any underage girl.

And give mastectomies to any woman who had sex with any under aged male.

9 posted on 05/07/2008 6:16:13 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: ken21

I’m reading two books on polygamy and it is interesting how they split. The church said “stop doing it” and the polygamists just beat feet. They took their Book of Mormon and D&C and left.

Polygamy was a “royalty” type thing in the church. The polygamists considered themselves ordained by God to have multiple wives. The wives seemed to favor it. I was amazed that Mormon men would go on their mission while they were fathers. They’d have 14 kids and then go on a mission for a year and a half.


10 posted on 05/07/2008 6:17:06 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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80-year-old Texas polygamy cult member's 21 wives

May 7 2008 By Lachlan Mackinnon

A MEMBER of a religious cult in Texas has 21 wives - aged from 24 to 80 - and 36 children, it was revealed yesterday.

Polygamist Wendell Loy Neison, 67, is a member of a sect which allows multiple marriages.

His oldest child is 21 and his youngest just six months.

Wendell's amazing brood emerged after a court review of the so-called "Bishop's List" .

Excerpt. Read the rest at source: Daily Record (Scotland).

11 posted on 05/07/2008 6:20:46 AM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: ken21

Books I am reading

Predators, prey, and other kinfolk : growing up in polygamy / Dorothy Allred Solomon.

Mormon polygamous families : life in the principle / by Jessie L. Embry

On deck

Letters of Catharine Cottam Romney, plural wife / edited by Jennifer M. Hansen.

Yes that Romney


12 posted on 05/07/2008 6:20:46 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

thanks.

that’s funny!


13 posted on 05/07/2008 6:22:36 AM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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WEDNESDAY MAY 7, 2008 Last modified:
Wednesday, May 7, 2008 12:09 AM CDT
Warren Jeffs

Incest the next issue in polygamist prophet's case

By JIM SECKLER/The Daily News

KINGMAN - Whether the leader of a polygamist sect of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in Colorado City should be charged with incest will be argued next week in Superior Court.

Warren Steed Jeffs, 52, faces eight felony charges in two 2007 cases involving two underage victims. He is charged with four counts of incest and four counts of sexual conduct with a minor.

The first case charges him with two counts of incest and two counts of sexual conduct with a minor involving an underage girl between May 1 and June 30, 2002, and between Aug. 15 and Sept. 15, 2002.

The second case also charges him with two counts of incest and two counts of sexual conduct with a minor involving another underage girl on Aug. 31, 2003, and in September 2003. Jeffs allegedly arranged marriages between older men and their teenage relatives.

Jeffs' attorney, Michael Piccarreta, filed a motion to dismiss the four incest charges in both cases, arguing that under Arizona statue, incest applies to those 18 years old and older. Incest is also charged as a Class 4 felony. The two victims were under 18 at the time of the alleged crimes. The defense is also arguing the victims were first cousins from half blood, not full blood.

Superior Court Judge Steven Conn will hear arguments on the motion May 16. Jeffs' trial may be scheduled on that day.

Jeffs has been under a precautionary 24-hour watch since he was booked into the medical wing of the Mohave County Jail Feb. 26. Jeffs has been reported in good health and is not on a hunger strike. He is being held without bond, Mohave County Sheriff's office spokeswoman Trish Carter said.

Mohave County Attorney Matt Smith previously dropped one 2005 charge of sexual conduct with a minor and conspiracy to commit sexual conduct with a minor because the witness would not testify at Jeffs' trial. The charges allegedly occurred between January and June 2002 in Colorado City. Smith also dropped five felony charges in two other 2005 cases, including four counts of sexual conduct with a minor and one count of conspiracy to commit sexual conduct with a minor.

Jeffs was convicted last year in St. George, Utah, of two counts of rape as an accomplice and was sentenced in November to 10 years in a Utah prison. He faces up to three years and nine months in prison for each of the incest charges if he is tried and convicted. For the other charges, he faces a maximum of two years in prison if convicted. Jeffs could also be eligible for probation.

Source: Mohave Daily News.

14 posted on 05/07/2008 6:27:24 AM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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Records at ranch show polygamous unions


Published: May 7, 2008 at 2:24 AM

ELDORADO, Texas, May 7 (UPI) -- Records seized at a polygamist compound in Texas give a picture of marital practices at the YFZ Ranch.

The internal census at the Yearning for Zion ranch list the names of husbands and wives and children, the Salt Lake Tribune reported Tuesday. The ranch is run by the Fundamentalist Church of the Latter-Day Saints.

Hundreds of children were seized in an April raid at the ranch that followed a telephone call from someone claiming to be a teenager forced into a polygamous union with a much older man. That call now looks like a hoax, but authorities said they found enough evidence of child abuse and sexual molestation to justify stripping parents of custody.

In Texas, teenagers can marry at 16 with parental consent, while the age of sexual consent is 17. Since polygamous marriages are illegal, only a man's first wife is legally married. One man, Wendell Nielsen, is listed as having 21 wives.

Excerpt. Read the rest at source: UPI .

15 posted on 05/07/2008 6:32:22 AM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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From last year, but relevant now....


'Lost Boys,' other FLDS teens lobby lawmakers

By Ben Winslow
Deseret Morning News
Published: January 20, 2007
They walked through the halls of power like high school students on a field trip.

The reality, though, is that most of these teens who left "the Creek" never made it past the eighth grade.

"We weren't allowed to go to the public schools," said "Sherrie," who ran away from the Fundamentalist LDS Church at age 16.

Teens who ran away or were kicked out of the polygamous enclaves of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz., came to the state Capitol complex Friday to share their heartbreaking stories and plead with lawmakers for money to help fund housing and to purchase clothing and food for other children in their situation.

"If we can get some help from the government, imagine the difference it can make in these kids' lives," said Kevin Black, who was kicked out of the FLDS Church at age 17.

Many of the children have been dubbed "Lost Boys" — teenage boys that have been kicked out of the FLDS Church for committing a "sin," such as wearing short-sleeved shirts. The girls are never ousted; they run away.

"The girls are considered a commodity," said Shannon Price, director of the Diversity Foundation, which helps children who leave the border towns.

Each week, one or two teens are reported to have left "the Creek," the nickname for the border towns stemming from the former name of the community, once called Short Creek.

"I just didn't want to be out there anymore," said Sherrie, who didn't have a place to stay and began crashing at "party houses." Soon, she said, she was falling into the trap of substance abuse. After getting help, the 19-year-old now has stable housing and is trying to get her GED.

The groups that help these children said they have heard more than 1,000 have either been ousted or have left. Most don't have a formal education. Price said that stopped when the Alta Academy, an FLDS private school run by Warren Jeffs, shut down in 1998.

Jeffs is now the leader of the FLDS Church and facing criminal charges in Utah and Arizona, which have accused him of arranging child-bride marriages. Price said Jeffs continues to create upheaval in families — even from jail.

"Children continue to be ostracized from the community. They're asked to leave by the dictates of Warren Jeffs," she said.

The teens came to the Capitol for "Democracy Day 2007," learning how to advocate their cause to politicians. They shifted in their seats as they sat through lectures on committees, bills and budget items. While lobbyists chatted on cell phones around them, the young people patiently signed their names to little green notes asking to meet with their representatives on Capitol Hill.

"I've never felt so misplaced," Black said, gazing at the swarm of activity around him outside the Senate chambers.

They found a receptive audience among southern Utah politicians. The teens were ushered into a meeting room, where they sat in comfy chairs as legislative aides walked in and out.

"All of the kids, for the most part, are under 18," said Michelle Benward, who is with the group New Frontiers for Families. "They're living in St. George, without supervision. They're on their own, working, doing their best."

Over the noise of an overhead page calling lawmakers to vote, the teens and their advocates told their stories. The lawmakers' faces grew more concerned with each story they heard. Boys told about being kicked out and having their families cut ties to them to remain in the FLDS Church.

"They tell you (that you) need to repent from a distance," said one boy, named "Jeremy."

"Repent for what?" asked Rep. Mike Noel, R-Kanab, whose district includes Hildale.

"For whatever they think you did wrong," Jeremy replied.

The politicians quizzed the advocates about foster care, the Division of Family Service, Workforce Services and other state programs. The Legislature passed a law last year intended to make it easier for such teens to emancipate themselves. Benward said it has helped, but many children are still falling through the cracks.

"When I go into DCFS, they say it's an Arizona problem. When I go into Workforce Services, they want to know where their mom is. Some of the kids just don't know," she said.

"Even if they did, they would not vilify their parents," Price added.

The lawmakers were receptive but showed a little sticker shock at the funding request — $250,000 each year for the next 10 years. The advocates want it attached to a bill to help homeless youth.

"It's far more difficult to try and invent a whole new system than it is to work within the framework that we've got," Rep. David Clark, R-Santa Clara, told the group.

Shaking hands with the teens as they were leaving, Rep. Brad Last, R-St. George, told the Deseret Morning News he would look into what he could to do to help.

"What happens when you look into these kids' faces, it just makes it real," he said. "It's a very unique problem."

Source: Deseret News, January 2007.

16 posted on 05/07/2008 6:49:33 AM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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Wednesday, April 16, 2008

The Forgotten Children of the FLDS Polygamist Group, The Lost Boys

4/18/08 Update- Judge Orders FLDS Children To Stay in Texas State Custody.

While people are claiming such outrage over 416 children removed from the FLDS compound and the mothers are going to the press to shed tears and act like victims, everyone seems to forget the other children of the FLDS... The Lost Boys.
While it is difficult to estimate the exact number of young boys, some only 13 years of age, rough estimates have the number at 400 to as many as 1,400 young boys have been put on to the streets after having been thrown out of the FLDS for a variety of reasons, some as little as kissing a girl, or wearing a short sleeved shirt.

The Lost Boys.

The mothers say the boys are "dead" to them, because the "prophet" has decided they are no longer a member of the family.

Most of the Lost Boys are between the ages of 13 and 21 when banished from or pressured to leave compounds such as the Yearning for Zion (YFZ) Ranch.

They were raised to fear the outside world, fear authorities and have a very limited education, but because men in the FLDS sect must have at least three wives, the women to men ratio wouldn't allow for that if the boy children were all allowed to stay and with some of the FLDS men having up to 10 wives, that makes it even more necessary to send these children packing, out into a world they have been taught to fear, to sleep on the street.

(Short) excerpt. Read the rest at the blog: WakeupAmerica. It will break your heart.

17 posted on 05/07/2008 6:55:17 AM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: pnh102

” As many know, I had my doubts about this raid, only because of the shaky initial evidence, but if underage girls are turning up pregnant or having kids, then that is pretty much solid evidence of abuse. Hopefully, the fact that the initial call turned out to be a hoax won’t introduce a technicality that would allow for the “men” responsible to escape justice.”

“I still have reservations about separating the mothers from the children, and I still believe that Texas isn’t doing enough to prosecute this crime when it occurs in non-FLDS communities, but I hope anyone who indeed had sex with a minor is prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows. “


I had to repost your comment.
As many know, I had very few doubts...but

I think you summarized the hopes, and fears, of both ‘sides’ of this case, all in two paragraphs. (and their aren’t two sides, we’re all on the same side, we just got issues)

It wasn’t so much what you said, we all have said the same thing.

It was...the way you said it.

: )


18 posted on 05/07/2008 7:02:13 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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D.A. prepares for criminal side of YFZ Ranch case

By Paul A. Anthony
Wednesday, May 7, 2008

With evidence sorted and the state Attorney General's Office called in to help, the prosecution of the historic YFZ Ranch child-abuse case needs just one thing - a suspect.

In the end, there will likely be one or more of those, one of the case's lead prosecutors said Tuesday.

"I believe so," said First Assistant 51st District Attorney Allison Palmer, when asked if charges would be forthcoming in the case. "It's early in the game, but I expect that ultimately there will be some criminal prosecution out of this."

State District Judge Barbara Walther appointed the state Attorney General's Office as a special prosecutor in the case at the request of local prosecutors on Monday - the same day a Dallas judge finished reviewing evidence in the case for possible legally protected information.

The appointment came at the request of District Attorney Steve Lupton, who filed the request Monday morning. Walther signed the order later that day.

"It's pretty routine," Palmer said. "The Attorney General's Office offered us some help. There's the possibility there for us to have quite a bit to do. That's sort of what they do is help out."

The Tom Green County District Attorney's Office has nine prosecutors and two investigators split between the 51st and 119th judicial districts, which handle all felony cases in seven area counties.

Local prosecutors will remain the lead attorneys in the case, Palmer said.

Excerpt. Read the rest at source: GoSanAngelo.

19 posted on 05/07/2008 7:08:56 AM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: bonfire

ditto


20 posted on 05/07/2008 7:18:49 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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