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1 posted on 05/06/2008 7:51:17 AM PDT by Sam's Army
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It’s triage. At my advanced age, I don’t expect anyone to attempt to save my life at the expense of time and resources that could save a younger more viable person.

It’s just ridiculous to expect anything else in a disaster that creates massive fatalities.

Don’t you think people my age already know we are at the end of our lives?


45 posted on 05/06/2008 9:03:30 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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I definitely would not support denying care that is available to older people. But in the event of a natural disaster or a pandemic, resources are going to be limited, so choices would have to be made.

Most likely, care would go to those in the greatest need, but who have the greatest chance of survival. People older than 85 may have the greatest need, but they would be less likely to survive than younger, stronger individuals.

Sad, but there it is.

49 posted on 05/06/2008 9:20:10 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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a U.S. task force recommends denying lifesaving care in a pandemic or other disaster to some folks -- including healthy people above 85

Do I really need to point out that if they are healthy, they don't need lifesaving care?

51 posted on 05/06/2008 9:22:27 AM PDT by green iguana
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53 posted on 05/06/2008 10:15:51 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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57 posted on 05/06/2008 10:35:31 AM PDT by VOA
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67 posted on 05/06/2008 11:49:26 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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The task force’s recommendations for who would not get treatment include:

• People older than 85.

• Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from car crashes and shootings.

• Severely burned patients older than 60.

• Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced Alzheimer’s disease.

• Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure, lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.

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Some of those recommendations leave way too much leeway for diagnosis.

Critical injuries can heal.

How severely burned?

What level on mental impairment is *severe*?

Just what would someone call *uncontrolled diabetes?

How much loss of lung capacity?

The potential for abuse of this is makes it totally unacceptable.


72 posted on 05/06/2008 1:10:46 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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An older article and post, but food for discussion/thought.

Sure, the concept of triage is nothing new, but basing it solely on a birthdate is different from the sort of trauma triage which most ER personnel are familliar with.

H5N1, not unlike the Spanish Flu, seems to disproportionately affect the young, and apparently, through overstimulating the immune system (Cytokine Storm) causes irrecoverable pulmonary damage.

Ironically, the elderly are not generally in the age group most susceptible to this desease, but those in the prime of life, whose immune systems are generally stronger.

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99 posted on 06/27/2008 10:30:05 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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108 posted on 06/28/2008 9:10:37 AM PDT by VOA
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