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The "conservatives" continue their make-believe opposition to the Islam threat
View From the Right ^ | May 5, 2008 | Lawrence Auster

Posted on 05/05/2008 6:35:30 PM PDT by rmlew

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Actually, neocons, leftists, and many anti-war "rightists" refuse to understand that we are facing a different civilization with different morals and principles.
1 posted on 05/05/2008 6:35:30 PM PDT by rmlew
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2 posted on 05/05/2008 6:38:32 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs to said?)
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Is Bush suppose to represent the “conservative” acquiencence? ‘splains a lot. Wrong premiss.


3 posted on 05/05/2008 6:42:30 PM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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DRAT! “acquiescence”


4 posted on 05/05/2008 6:44:38 PM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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...intellectuals in Western Europe and the United States formulate an ideology which says that their countries should be open without discrimination to all people of all political persuasions.

The entire article is based on a false premise. The first sentence above is the culprit.

Islam is NOT a political persuasion.

At worst it is a hate cult. At best it is a religion.

Either way, no rational human would want it in their midst....given its adherents predilection for misogyny and violence against anyone who is different.

Lawrence Auster tries real hard but he has missed the point.

5 posted on 05/05/2008 6:46:00 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (The secret of Life is letting go. The secret of Love is letting it show.)
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It looks make-believe because we can’t do anything yet.


6 posted on 05/05/2008 6:53:57 PM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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I'm not quite sure I follow your point, sir. There are literally billions of reasonably rational adults in the West who are seemingly rushing to embrace islam. But not really. What they are actually doing is engaging in a political act - rejection of their own culture based on ignorance and self loathing. So for the Godless West, I would hold this to be political.

For the muslims, who are my sworn enemies but who I in some ways respect more than the cowards and ignoramuses that comprise the Western masses, for them I agree, it is religious.

7 posted on 05/05/2008 7:01:10 PM PDT by Uhaul
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it’a a metaphor — substituting the political Naziism for the religion of Islam.


8 posted on 05/05/2008 7:04:36 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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Is Bush suppose to represent the “conservative” acquiencence? ‘splains a lot. Wrong premiss.
Let's see.
1. We special delivered Bin Laden's family and other Saudi nationals out of the country, without investigating them.
2. A few days after 9-11 Bush paraded on stage with officials from the Council on American-Islamic Relations, an Islamist organization, associated with the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR. Imagine if after Pearl Harbor FDR paraded with some Shinto priests pushing for emperor worship and bushido or members of the Nazi-controlled German American Bund.

3. The CIA and FBI hired not just Muslim, but Islamist officials for sensitivity training.
I'm now up to November 2001. Should i continue?
The fact is that if Al Gore had done this we would all be screaming. But because a self-proclaimed conservative did, we rally around him for partisan reasons and define conservatism down.

9 posted on 05/05/2008 7:04:44 PM PDT by rmlew (Don't Blame me. I voted for Hunter.)
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Our enemies, power seekers all, use our openness and freedom to destroy both.

Another time-honored name for them is thugs. Most thugs are cowards so they use deception until they are firmly in control and then they are 100% thugs.


10 posted on 05/05/2008 7:08:07 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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“religion of peace”

Islam can't even keep peace among it own tribes. Right.
The day is near when Sunnis, Shiites and others will be at one another’s throats, right here in America. Probably wouldn't be a moment too soon.

11 posted on 05/05/2008 7:10:38 PM PDT by oyez (Justa' another high minded lowlife.)
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Larry Auster's articles are always great. More people should know about him.
12 posted on 05/05/2008 7:23:57 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough)
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ping


13 posted on 05/05/2008 7:25:42 PM PDT by rmlew (Don't Blame me. I voted for Hunter.)
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To: Free Dominoes

ping


14 posted on 05/05/2008 8:01:19 PM PDT by rmlew (Don't Blame me. I voted for Hunter.)
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You can ask any member of the DC Chapter what I think of Bush and when I started thinking it. Try reading my tagline for instance.


15 posted on 05/05/2008 8:01:45 PM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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Islam is NOT a political persuasion.

Islam is an invasion NOT a religion.

I do not fear Islam, I despise it ! I despise its false prophet, its adherents and all that it represents.

16 posted on 05/05/2008 8:05:21 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Hillary = Senator Incitatus, Clintigula's whore...er, horse.)
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This is more faux conservative writing that so infuriates me.

A few clues:

1. The Nazis had a rather narrow view of immigration and were rather concerned about maintaining the German ethnic integrity against the IMMIGRANTS. There, does that help the shoe fit a little better.

2. Mexicans did not bomb the World Trade Center. Despite all the nonsensical conspiracies that blame everyone but the Saudi perpetrators, to my knowledge, the Mexican mafia story has yet to find legs. But that does not prevent the Faux conservatives from demanding the building the WAll or else they will start responding to threats in a rational manner.

3. President Bush is the intrinsically credible leader in the War on Terror. No one has lead more decisively or effectively on the question. All others are pretenders and hypotheses in waiting.

4. The rhetorical division of Islamic radicals and Islam is a shrewd and necessary gambit. If Islam cannot differentiate itself from these radicals then it will surely die. But to so thoroughly discount the hundreds of thousands of Muslims who have died resisting these radicals in places such as Iraq is profoundly disrespectful, immoral, and inaccurate.

5. Faux conservatives like this author have thoroughly backstabbed our President and given aid to our enemies. David Duke gives speeches in Damascus because his contempt of immigration and his radicalized affiliation with Republican politics. He and Buchannan are the kind of dangerous ideological drift among confused conservatives who think building a wall will protect them from a radicalizing world. It was a lie in the 1930s Charles Lindberg and it is a lie today.

Try supporting the President of the United States, the commander in chief, the foremost voice and authority in our war on terror.


17 posted on 05/05/2008 8:05:54 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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1. The Nazis had a rather narrow view of immigration and were rather concerned about maintaining the German ethnic integrity against the IMMIGRANTS. There, does that help the shoe fit a little better.

Probably the wrong thread, byut the Nazis were not German nationalists. They were pan-Aryanists. No German nationalist would have supported the invasion of Austria.
The Nazis would have loved an influx of 1 million Norwegians and Swedes.

2. Mexicans did not bomb the World Trade Center. Despite all the nonsensical conspiracies that blame everyone but the Saudi perpetrators, to my knowledge, the Mexican mafia story has yet to find legs. But that does not prevent the Faux conservatives from demanding the building the WAll or else they will start responding to threats in a rational manner.
No one has blamed the Mexicans for 9-11. Although our failure to control immigration and the ability of the 9-11 Hijackers to use pathways and IDs set up for illegal aliens did help them.
You can't defend America without securing our borders, any more than we can "win" in Iraq without keeping out the Iranians and their proxies.

But that does not prevent the Faux conservatives from demanding the building the WAll or else they will start responding to threats in a rational manner.
Actually, what we have here is someone who is willing to sell out national security, to ensure taht we conserve nothing of our heritage and culture all for the ersatz immanentization of the eschaton known as Globalism.

3. President Bush is the intrinsically credible leader in the War on Terror. No one has lead more decisively or effectively on the question. All others are pretenders and hypotheses in waiting.
John Howard of Australia did a better job. Next.

4. The rhetorical division of Islamic radicals and Islam is a shrewd and necessary gambit. If Islam cannot differentiate itself from these radicals then it will surely die. But to so thoroughly discount the hundreds of thousands of Muslims who have died resisting these radicals in places such as Iraq is profoundly disrespectful, immoral, and inaccurate.
I differentiated between Islam and Islamists. George W. Bush invited ISLAMISTS and pretended taht they were peaceful Muslims. you need to work on reading comprehension, or you are ignoring my point and that of Auster to lie.

. Faux conservatives like this author have thoroughly backstabbed our President and given aid to our enemies. David Duke gives speeches in Damascus because his contempt of immigration and his radicalized affiliation with Republican politics. He and Buchannan are the kind of dangerous ideological drift among confused conservatives who think building a wall will protect them from a radicalizing world. It was a lie in the 1930s Charles Lindberg and it is a lie today.
You and the Paleocons traitors deserve each other, creating a Manichean wasteland devoid of conservative thought. You ignore my argument and attack a position neither i nor Auster hold, because you find it easier or lack the ability to refute what was written.

Try supporting the President of the United States, the commander in chief, the foremost voice and authority in our war on terror.
Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president. Theodore Roosevelt 26th president of US (1858 - 1919)

18 posted on 05/05/2008 8:19:16 PM PDT by rmlew (Don't Blame me. I voted for Hunter.)
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“, to ensure that we conserve nothing of our heritage and culture all for the ersatz immanentization of the eschaton known as Globalism”

Ding ding ding. That is your position in its essence— the preservation of the American identity polluted by illegal immigration.

Illegal immigration played no meaningful role in 911. So like the America Firsters of the 1930s, you appeal to nativism to protect you from the ugly confrontation that must be had with the world. The Nazis were nationalists. And you would also probably be delighted to have an influx of Swedes and Norwegians. Just as long as we keep the Mexicans out we will probably be safe.

Howard is no longer Prime Minister— He lost. Australia while noble lacks the will or resources to do nearly the preponderance of work done by President Bush.

President Bush is a a good leader of a good nation so for me patriotism is no compromise. The faux conservatives have back stabbed a good man and added animation to our enemies.

You make a good try on linking me to paleocons and manicheanism but again, I think we can see where those shoes fit best.


19 posted on 05/05/2008 8:32:42 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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Ding ding ding. That is your position in its essence— the preservation of the American identity polluted by illegal immigration.
That is just one threat. The failure to assimilate and American legal immigrants, their child, and the children of all native-born American children will be our undoing.
Overseas we face China leading a coalition that includes revanchist Russia, various Central Asian authoritarian regimes under the aegis of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. These are allied to the remaining communist states and are working with Iran and Islamists to hobble the US.
We face Jihadi Muslims of all stripes in a clash of civilizations. Sadly Europe, led by France, has chosen to become Eurabia.
We have the left, a large number (but a minority) of American Muslims, trans-national socialists and Trans-national coroporatists all as fifth columns.

Illegal immigration played no meaningful role in 911.
And the 9-11 Hijackers who used fake ID didn't exist. And none of them over staid visas. And, yes I'm mocking your transparent lie or ignorance.

So like the America Firsters of the 1930s, you appeal to nativism to protect you from the ugly confrontation that must be had with the world.
Go check my positing history or blog.

The Nazis were nationalists.
Assertion, not refutation. You lose.

And you would also probably be delighted to have an influx of Swedes and Norwegians. Just as long as we keep the Mexicans out we will probably be safe.
I'm confused. If you are talking about Nazi immigration policy, you should be aware that I am a son and quadruple grandson of Holocaust survivors, many of whom took arms against the Nazi.
As a son of a Swedish Jew who emigrated, I have difficulty opposing all Swedish migration. I have relatives and friends in Malmostan. However, the last thing Scandinavia needs is an exodus of indigenous populations.

Rome didn't lose to Persia. It lost to the grandchildren of the Goths it allowed to cross the Danube.

Howard is no longer Prime Minister— He lost. Australia while noble lacks the will or resources to do nearly the preponderance of work done by President Bush.
And Bush never had the will or intellectual resources to do what was needed.

President Bush is a a good leader of a good nation so for me patriotism is no compromise. The faux conservatives have back stabbed a good man and added animation to our enemies.
The man who created discord by trying to shove through an amnesty and who signed McCain-Feigold is the conservative. LOL

You make a good try on linking me to paleocons and manicheanism but again, I think we can see where those shoes fit best.
No, you can't. I'm neither a neocon nor paleocon, but you live in those terms.

20 posted on 05/05/2008 8:54:30 PM PDT by rmlew (Down with the ersatz immanentization of the eschaton known as Globalism.)
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