Calgary woman becoming priest

Calgary Herald ^ | May 4, 2008 | Graeme Morton

[fanfan]

Where did you get the idea that ordination has anything to do with being “good enough”?

OK, so none of us is 'good enough'.

I still don't understand why GOD would care if the Catholic Priest was Male or Female.

It does make sense that Jesus was a man, as, at the time, women would not have been allowed to preach the word.

[MortMan]

On May 29, Monica Kilburn Smith of Calgary will be welcomed into the small worldwide community of female Roman Catholic priests.

After the big opening lie, why read the rest of the article?!?

[fanfan]

What is a priest? A priest is someone who walks the earth as "another Christ." As such, he is a prime target for Satan. He is expected to do mortal combat, far more often than other human beings. He must be willing to be brutalized, butchered, mistreated, crucified body and soul.

God decided that women should not be "risked" this way. This is not an insult, or an implication that women are weaklings who "can't take it." Women are high value targets. Souls of new people are actually infused within their bodies.

That answer makes more sense, thank you.

OTOH, It makes me ask,....does God then not care about Anglican souls for instance, or say, people unfortunate enough to have been born into a different religion, such as Islam, or Hinduism?

[longtermmemmory]

fake priest for a fake church

[fanfan]

Thanks, but NYer already posted that, and that’s what made me ask the questions in the first place.

[MortMan]

The bottom line is this: The Roman Catholic Church has firmly established a set of rules for beeing ordained as a priest. These rules determine eligibility to take on that title and role.

The correctness of the rules is a valid subject for debate, but is irrelevent to this article. This woman, by her act in defiance of the duly established rules governing eligibility for the priesthood, has chosen to exit the Roman Catholic Church.

The debate over allowing women in the clergy is a long-running one, with learned people of all stripes taking any of a thousand (or more) different nuanced positions. I will not engage directly in that debate because I do not have enough personal understanding of the various sides to draw an informed conclusion.

But, again, that has little to naught to do with this article. The woman in question is rebelling against her church. One might even say she was protesting - and in doing so becoming a protestant. That is her right as a human being, but she certainly does not have the right to unilaterally change the church rules just because she doesn’t like them.

Just my $.02.

[ArrogantBustard]

Where does this heretical drivel come from?

I can tell you for sure ... that this drivel was first uttered in Eden ... by a Serpent.

[fanfan]

Name a single female apostle.

I can't, but I point out again, that Men wrote the bible.

Also, some of the bible writings were thrown out after one of the Ecumenical Councils. (I apologize for not having the details)

What did those writings say? Did they challenge the Men in charge?

[ArrogantBustard]

I can't, but I point out again, that Men wrote the bible.

God wrote the Bible.

[fanfan]

Further, Jesus specifically said he would give them the Holy Spirit to remember his exact words.

So we are told.

Sorry he didn't clear it with you first but that's God's rule and he doesn't negotiate.

LOL. If GOD exists, he sure doesn't need to negotiate anything with me.

[fanfan]

This woman, by her act in defiance of the duly established rules governing eligibility for the priesthood, has chosen to exit the Roman Catholic Church.

The woman in question is rebelling against her church. One might even say she was protesting - and in doing so becoming a protestant. That is her right as a human being, but she certainly does not have the right to unilaterally change the church rules just because she doesn’t like them.

I appreciate your answer.

You make a good point.

[fanfan]

All Christians are called to bring human souls to God but not all are called to be Priests. Millions of women all over the world bring thousands of sinners to Christ and don't consider their non-priest status a hindrance in this regard.

Interesting. So maybe we are looking at this backwards.

With GOD's love, everyone who believes in Him, are His Priests. He doesn't need us to wear a collar to be one.

[fanfan]

May God have mercy on their souls. I and my family turn our backs on them.

That is not very nice Don.

If you care about their souls, shouldn't you be praying for them?

[fanfan]

...which was anticipated and proactively responded to in the qualifier "Biblical Christians," and in the second sentence: "Apart from our one Great High Priest (Hebrews 4:14-16), we don't so much have priests as we are priests (1 Peter 2:9)."

Yes!

What Peter said!

Thanks for posting.

[Notwithstanding]

Had God had wanted to become incarnate as a woman, he could have and would have.

It is undeniable that Jesus the Messiah broke countless Jewish paradigms and taboos; breaking one more by becoming incarante as a woman would have been ridiculously easy and totally in character for the man who turned the world upside down. But He did not do so!

Placing limitations upon God, as you seem to do, hardly bolsters your point about women priests.

[fanfan]

That said, you cannot be a female Roman Catholic priest. There is no such thing. She can call herself whatever she chooses, but it does not make it true.

I see what you are saying.

I guess I just don't agree with Catholic teachings on this matter.

[starlifter]

Disagreement is fair.

[Notwithstanding]

It is rather analagous that men can’t bear children.

Men might find that unfair to not have such a privilege (just as women might view the all-male priesthood).

Women might find it unfair, especially at painful times when the sacrfice involved is severe, to be the only ones to bear such responsibility (just as men might find it unfair to be the only ones bearing the weight and burden of ordination).

But God is God. And He has chosen the way things will be.

[fanfan]

Placing limitations upon God, as you seem to do, hardly bolsters your point about women priests.

I'm not trying to have my point bolstered, I'm asking questions.

We have souls created by GOD, and He loves us, but He allows imperfect men to run his affairs here on earth. Imperfect Men, but not imperfect women.

I admit that I just don't get it.

I apologize for disrupting this thread.

Thank you for answering my questions, everyone. This might have been the most pleasant religious thread I have seen on FR.

[Notwithstanding]

I certainly see how one could see the situation the way you do given our culture of victimhood/fairness/feminisim etc.

I would expect most people in our cultuire to agree with you.

But as a conservative, doesn’t it sort of make you suspicious to buy the liberal agenda on this topic?