The FLDS argument will not hold up

Star Telegram ^ | May 4, 2008 | Marci Hamilton

[TLI]

Sorry, pal, if you can’t provide proof (by way of a source) of your claim, I have every right to declare it completely bogus.

I provided you with a link. All the info is there. But you are ignoring or forgetting that we have gone through all of this before. You argue the "For The Children" excuse and I present as many facts as are available. If you want to re-read my facts and your excuses the link is right there. Go for it.

[Politicalmom]

The phone call was on the third.

You sure have a high opinion of yourself. I am not spending a significant portion of my valuable time weeding through your posts. I’ll take the opinion of the internationally recognized expert on constitutional law over yours any day.

[metmom]

It is necessary to protect our system of laws.

It is necessary to protect our citizens and that's what the state of Texas is doing for those women and children.

This action against this cult should have happened when their exalted leader Warren Jeffs was convicted on rape related charges.

This was way overdo and children in the meantime have been sexually assaulted as evidenced by the number of teen pregnancies. found at the ranch. If the authorities had acted sooner, some of those girls would never have been raped.

[Lurker]

Remind me again how many arrests have been made in this case?

Thanks.

L

[ricks_place]

What is this agency doing about the hundreads and hundreads of ‘inner-city’ girls in Houston with more than one baby as teens? I would note that TX has the highest teen pregancy rate in the US BTW - why single out this group to take the children? - ASOC

Only an FLDS sympathizer would divert scrutiny from the FLDS by suggesting a more appropriate "inner-city" investigative target, code word for black. Shameful.

All hale the State. The State is King. ANd of course, the State can do no wrong.

Only an FLDS sympathizer would disparage the government for conducting the FLDS raid yet advocate a government raid on the "inner-city", code word for black. Shameful.

[metmom]

Did you even read the article. The whole thing is very confused hearsay.

As is what you have to say, unless you can EVER come up with a source for your comments. Why should we trust what you have to say on the issue for that matter? What gives you any more credibility than anyone else?

They have found no one named Sarah Jessop Barlow and Dale Barlow hadn’t been in Texas since 1977.

Sources? How do you know that for sure? Do you know them? Have they told you?

[metmom]

Looks like you got an answer to your question.

[greyfoxx39]

That does not address my question to you.

[greyfoxx39]

The whole thing is very confused hearsay. They have found no one named Sarah Jessop Barlow and Dale Barlow hadn’t been in Texas since 1977.

Did you come up with a link to verify your opinion? Please source your statement with a live link.

Your demanding sources to rebuttals of your OPINION statements should be met with sources of your own.

[wardaddy]

Do the underage females in these compounds have a right to reach adulthood and/or age of consent and select their own spouse?

Believe it or not that has never been a completely settled question even in the US and western culture. Arranged marriages have always been with us just less so now. Women have more options now or so it appears but once and maybe even now there are times there is a choice between marriage for betterment of station versus probably squalor.

I don't believe that was the case here (or maybe just in their little closed off micro culture) but it has been historically even in the US for many women.

[greyfoxx39]

True Full Disclosure, in the context of what this threads discussion is about, would require you to also admit that you haven't seen the effects of a tyrannical government firsthand, and it’s treatment of women and children.

Where are the live link sources to YOUR "firsthand evidence" leading to your hyperbolic rantings of the tryannical government's effect on the poor, abused cultist males that run this criminal enterprise?

[greyfoxx39]

You should know.

[greyfoxx39]

So expose it with links to articles verifying your claims.

[YCTHouston]

No, don’t let anyone put words in your mouth, just explain why and when you believe child rape is permitted by the Constitution?

This is pretty simple: cite the article of the Constitution that you believe gives you the right to rape children?

Otherwise, all you’ve done is criticize some other freepers with vague and poorly-crafted sarcasm. When that doesn’t work, you take your ball and run home. Be a grown-up; if you want to make an argument, make it.

[najida]

But you do understand that even in most traditional arranged marriages, there is a small degree of free will. And the arranged marriages that place via coercion, dishonesty, pressure or threats of harm are still wrong. What do you want for your daughters?

[greyfoxx39]

Apparently, this informant has made similar false accusations in past, and done so with impunity.

WHAT informant are you talking about?

Link to your source, please.

[davisfh]

"Then you are unfamiliar with the way social services works."

Yes, you're correct. Never had to use their services and hope to continue that record.

[davisfh]

Yes, you’re correct. I’ve never had to avail myself of their services and hope to continue that record.

[metmom]

We haven’t either.

We lived in a welfare community for 18 long years and saw lots of how social services worked involving our neighbors and in NYS at that.

What happened at the ranch is really not much different that they way the operate the rest of the time, except that I never heard of them going in with a search warrant. Far as I know they just knock and intimidate their way in.