'Ramos, Compean must ask for clemency' 'there's a process' for pardons

World Net Daily ^ | 5-1-08 | unattributed

[1rudeboy]

Yup, that's what I figured . . . the personal attack was coming. Here's a hint for you: at the bottom of each reply is a "track back" feature. It is labeled as "To x," with x being the comment to which the reply is directed. Learn to use it sometime.

[calcowgirl]

...Marc Rich, Caspar Weinberger, Elliott Abrams, Robert McFarlane, Duane Clarridge, Alan Fiers, Clair George....

[hinckley buzzard]

More on why Bush was recently found to have the highest unfavorables in history. His weird and suspicious blindness toward Mexico-based subversion of American sovereignty has long-since overridden whatever slack he earned in his initial responses to 9/11.

[pissant]

Thanks. And just out of curiosity, does it not count when Congressmen and Senators officially request the pardon on their behalf?

[1rudeboy]

I know you didn’t research before you responded, question is will you research if I ask?

[Eleutherios]

If President Bush pardoned two Border Patrol agents
who were diligently doing their duty
... wouldn’t that send the message that
Border Patrol agents are to diligently do their duty?
:-(

Gotta stay on message!

[1rudeboy]

Now that I think about it, was anyone involved in Iran-Contra actually convicted of anything? North, maybe.

[BlazingArizona]

. Is the White House that clueless...

Judging by today's poll numbers, yes.

[calcowgirl]

“Pardoned” does not equal “sentence commuted,” I hope you understand.

See the Constitution--Article II, Section 2

Commutation falls under the President's power to PARDON.

[calcowgirl]

And just out of curiosity, does it not count when Congressmen and Senators officially request the pardon on their behalf?

They might have better luck hiring Tony Rodham. ;-)

[calcowgirl]

I know you didn’t research before you responded, question is will you research if I ask?

Research what? I answered your question. Plenty of folks have been pardoned before or during an appeal (and witout going through Perino's procedural nonsense).

But of course, that is NOT what this thread is about.

Ramos and Compean--remember those guys?

Nice hijack /s

[1rudeboy]

Good Lord. Help me follow your argument: because commutation falls under the President’s power to pardon under Article II, Section 2, then a commutation is equal to a pardon? Are you sure you want to go down that road?

[calcowgirl]

I get it. You don’t want the BP agents pardoned.

You don’t want them discussed.

YOu want to hijack the thread and talk about ANYTHING OTHER THAN Ramos and Compean.

I get it.

[1rudeboy]

I asked whether someone has been pardoned while their appeal is pending. So far, no one has named anyone (Libby included). You threw some names out there, hoping one would stick, but I suspect you’re not accustomed to defending your assertions.

[1rudeboy]

Yes, absolutely . . . if you cannot answer a simple question that directly affects our discussion of Ramos and Compean, then it must be my motives that are questionable. Weak.

[calcowgirl]

asked whether someone has been pardoned while their appeal is pending. So far, no one has named anyone (Libby included).

You were proven wrong about Libby, above, by multiple posters.What ARE you talking about?

You threw some names out there, hoping one would stick, but I suspect you’re not accustomed to defending your assertions.

HOGWASH!

You and your posse come on these threads and assert an ever-continuing change in rules. First, it was suggested R&C shouldn't be pardoned until their sentence was handed down because that had never happened before. Then, it was they shouldn't be pardoned until their appeal was heard.

What next? They shouldn't be pardoned until their entire sentence is served?

Libby was pardoned after conviction but while his appeal was pending.

Marc Rich, Weinberger (et al) were pardoned before a conviction was ever handed down.

There are no hard and set rules to prohibit pardoning or commuting RAMOS and COMPEAN--there is just no will among those occupying the WH.

And yes... I used the word PARDON to include acts of commutation. Don't like it? Get over it.

[FOXFANVOX]

Thanx for the ping calcowgirl.

This ruse is a page from the Johnny Sutton play book. Delay and obfuscate! This President has the power [but not the will] to instantly forgive these two agents with a pardon, or barring that a commutation.

Johnny Sutton is a Bush buddy and the major reason that Ramos and Compean are in jail serving an excessive sentence. Bush bears responsibility for this miscarriage of justice and yet he treats it as if it is just another administrative request of no consequence. Bush showed his elitism when he commuted pal Libby but chose to ignore the pleas of Congress and the people to free Ramos and Compean.

Bush ran on a platform of compassionate conservatism. He should have qualified that by saying he was only compassionate with those who were in the Bush circle.

If Bush had not already pardoned some druggies [and other miscreants] his hard nosed stand might be defensible. But, he has already pardoned criminals, so not to pardon two US Border Agents who stopped a drug smuggler and were only convicted because the drug smuggler was given amnesty to testify against agents, is unconscionable.

[calcowgirl]

Yes, absolutely . . . if you cannot answer a simple question that directly affects our discussion of Ramos and Compean, then it must be my motives that are questionable. Weak.

Is this your simple question?

Help me follow your argument: because commutation falls under the President’s power to pardon under Article II, Section 2, then a commutation is equal to a pardon? Are you sure you want to go down that road?

Asked and answered. The President has the power to commute under his constitutional power to pardon. That does not make them equal--it makes them related. I gave you the citation so that you can read it for yourself--See also SCOTUS interpretations of what the specific clause has been interpreted to include (wherein you will find commutation mentioned).

[1rudeboy]

One other thing, and I’ll direct this to everyone: if you truly want to free Ramos and Compean, rather than engaging in mere posturing on an internet bulletin board, then I suggest getting your facts together. Because frankly (using the more extreme example), arguing that Ramos and Compean should be pardoned because Clinton pardoned Rich is pathetic.

[1rudeboy]

I have asked someone to name anyone who has been pardoned by a President while their appeal is pending. I can’t think of anyone myself, and I thought someone might share their knowledge. That is all. Sinister motives and all that . . . you know people like me, ask a question and everyone runs, terrified.