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Sect boys may have been abused by older boys
MySA.com ^ | 5/1/08 | Terri Langford and Lisa Sandberg

Posted on 05/01/2008 10:47:42 AM PDT by Politicalmom

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To: Elsie

I already re thought as soon as I posted for the exact reason you mention.

Better to keep the “VILE” posts up for all to see.


41 posted on 05/01/2008 12:52:47 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: Old Mountain man

So now the direct quotes of your leaderships’ own teaching are lies?... Typical mormon reaction. How far up in the mormon priesthood are you, anyway?


42 posted on 05/01/2008 12:55:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Elsie

Then instead of your typical little remark, why don’t you produce the teaching?

We are all waiting.


43 posted on 05/01/2008 12:57:02 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man; MEGoody; Elsie

And don’t forget:

Other churches are led by men who can only speak as men. We, however, are led by Prophets of God who only speak as men!

(channeling Elsie’s MormonDude)


44 posted on 05/01/2008 12:59:21 PM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: colorcountry

Since I have been called by the Admin Moderator, I will only remind you that you claim to not be a member so there is obviously NO value to your little statements.


45 posted on 05/01/2008 1:03:16 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: MHGinTN

Pardon me, but due to your historic histrionics, I have absolutely NOTHING further to say to you.


46 posted on 05/01/2008 1:09:40 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man

“Are the people who are Bishops in our Church perfect?”

You said just the right words.

Is the problem Mormons? No.
Is the problem LDS(aren’t they the same thing?)? No.

Is the problem RLDS? No.

Is the problem Catholics? No.

The problem is people. People who turn to evil to attain power.

Warren Jeffs didn’t go on a search for a religion to support his ‘needs’, he was born into it.

So is everyone else, according to their rules, and pattern of strict inbreeding.

The Mormons/LDS/RLDS had gotten together and asked JEFFS and his group of FLDS members to quit their illegal practices, even if they were derived from the words of the founders.

The MORMONS/LDS/RLDS were doing the right thing.

Warren Jeffs and his LOYAL BAND said “NO”, and continued to do the WRONG THING.

It’s not about religion, it’s about the choices of men to commit evil acts.

Happens everywhere, every religion, every state, every city, every neighborhood, and in many homes.

If we are going to blame someone for allowing this alleged child abuse to go on, for so long, then it is US that is to blame.

We let it go, as a public, the first time the children were taken at the SHORT CREEK RAID. Because the public and church community rallied to support the FLDS, and against the LE, thinking they were picking on a religion.

Here, Fifty some years later, we are now arguing about the same thing, and it isn’t any truer now, than it was then.


47 posted on 05/01/2008 1:10:04 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: Old Mountain man

Whew. What a relief!


48 posted on 05/01/2008 1:14:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Old Mountain man

Thank you for reminding me.


49 posted on 05/01/2008 1:15:35 PM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: MHGinTN

“I have absolutely NOTHING further to say to you.”


OH, aren’t you SPECIAL!

Now, what do the rest of us have to do to get the same guarantee?


50 posted on 05/01/2008 1:23:48 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: UCANSEE2

“So, obviously there will be medical records at those OUTSIDE medical facilities matching each case of broken bones.”

Well, I haven’t seen proof their are any records on file at outside facilities, but until they can establish the name that was used at the time, it may be hopeless to try and prove it. IMO.


51 posted on 05/01/2008 1:41:44 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: UCANSEE2

“Parker said any broken bones would have been treated in medical facilities away from the ranch and that doctors are required to report suspected abuse.”

“Lloyd Barlow, the ranch’s onsite physician, said he was caring for a number of FLDS children with broken or fractured bones at the time they were removed from the ranch.”


Yes, you are right. Seems their statements to the media are a little bit contradictory.


52 posted on 05/01/2008 1:43:28 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: UCANSEE2

“Maybe ‘very young children’ shouldn’t be operating large construction and farm equipment. “

Good point, UCAN!

Are children running the equipment? Is this child labor?
Or are the MEN just letting the kids fall off the equipment?
How are these kids getting injured? Is there a reasonable explanation, or not.

I heard the ratio in the general population was one out of one hundred (or 1%)

At the FLDS compound, it is 10%. Is that way above the norm?

If so, why?


53 posted on 05/01/2008 1:48:32 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: UCANSEE2

“YOUR HONOR, we have already argued this point on FR, come to a conclusion, and set a precedent.”

yeah, that’s what YOU PEOPLE do, and think. You think you are God almighty, sitting on the throne, judging these innocent people. What gives you the right to judge others, you puscillanimous prurient pretenders of political passion!!!


54 posted on 05/01/2008 1:52:26 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: Old Mountain man
Gee, if I wrote that many paragraphs about your church, with all the allegations contained therein, with no citations, what would you think.

First of all, I didn't write the post. Second of all, there were citations in the post.

I'm still waiting for an actual refutation of the quotes posted.

55 posted on 05/01/2008 1:53:04 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: UCANSEE2

OK. Now you are calling me names, you.....you.... NAME CALLER!


56 posted on 05/01/2008 1:53:52 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: MEGoody

Please feel free to hold your breath.


57 posted on 05/01/2008 1:54:24 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: UCANSEE2

Ok, sorry, let’s get back to the subject.

Now, what was this thread about?


58 posted on 05/01/2008 1:54:26 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: UCANSEE2

Everybody plays the fool, sometime
Theres no exception to the rule, listen baby
It may be factual, it may be cruel, I aint lying
Everybody plays the fool

How can you help it, when the music starts to play
And your ability to reason, is swept away
Oh, heaven on earth is all you see, youre out of touch with reality
And now you cry, but when you do, next time around someone cries for you

Hey, everybody plays the fool, sometime
Use your heart just like a tool, listen baby
They never tell you so in school, I wanna say it again,
Everybody plays the fool


59 posted on 05/01/2008 2:02:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: UCANSEE2

Were you the youngest child in the family?


60 posted on 05/01/2008 2:07:13 PM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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